"The member has explained what those images were and I have accepted his explanation," Mathyssen said Friday in the House, after cancelling scheduled events in her London-area riding and flying to Ottawa to make the statement.
Robert Fife says she'll have to explain why she said one thing to her home-town paper, and then turned around and hoofed it to Ottawa for this volte-face. He offers his interpretation of how it likely went down:
"But I'm sure that the New Democratic Party leadership said Irene, you were wrong, completely wrong on this, you owe Mr. Moore an apology, get up there and unreservedly apologize and let's put this matter to rest. That is what she has done."
Meanwhile, I'm sure James Moore will be refraining from showing pics of his dog in the House from now on.
Post - Should James Moore be satisfied with today's apology? John Turley-Ewart nails it:
Perhaps Jack Layton has also learned a lesson from this whole incident as well — that Ms. Mathyssen is a liability rather than an asset to a party with the pretension of having a conscience but a track record for being unscrupulous.
CTV video available via Jack's Newswatch. H/T Plattytalk.
Platty wonders where Jack Layton is in all this. I'm thinking he wants to distance himself as much as possible from the stench. I'm sure Karen Redman wishes she hadn't hitched her wagon to this train wreck.
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Original morning post:I was planning to go on a brief hiatus, but reader Ruth left this tip in a previous thread - Mathyssen stands by her complaint. (also posted at National Newswatch).
How can her constituents 'stand by' her now? This is absolutely outrageous.
James Moore has shown a lot more class and grace in this situation than I would have. I have great admiration for him. He has taken the high road.
Mathyssen has succeeded in casting herself as a swarmy, vindictive fool, by not letting this go.
Even her fellow NDP members were apologizing and saying it was a lesson learned.
Mathyssen needs to take a time out, and as Karen Redman had originally suggested to Moore, take a close look in her heart and perhaps try to examine her true motives.
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Related: Lorrie Goldstein - May I peek over your shoulder?
L. Ian MacDonald - MP savaged for having pictures of his girlfriend (obviously written before the latest Mathyssen misstep):
In light of the latest, I wonder what Goldstein and MacDonald would say?
Personally, I am beyond anger. I can't imagine how James Moore is feeling today.
L. Ian MacDonald - MP savaged for having pictures of his girlfriend (obviously written before the latest Mathyssen misstep):
Moore, one of the most promising young members of the House, was devastated.
As it happened, voters from his riding were his guests in the visitors' gallery that day. How humiliating is that? As he later said: "That's on Wikipedia under my name for the next five years."
In light of the latest, I wonder what Goldstein and MacDonald would say?
Personally, I am beyond anger. I can't imagine how James Moore is feeling today.
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By way of contrast, check out yesterday's Hansard (10:05 mark). I'll give Karen Redman full credit for issuing her apology in the House. Class act, Karen.
Notice how Libby Davies assures the House that Mathyssen will formally apologize too. No mention of any qualification that she thinks Moore should not have personal pics in the House:
Time to dump Irene, Jack.
Notice how Libby Davies assures the House that Mathyssen will formally apologize too. No mention of any qualification that she thinks Moore should not have personal pics in the House:
Hon. Karen Redman (Kitchener Centre, Lib.):
Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. Yesterday the member for London—Fanshawe rose on a point of order concerning alleged behaviour by the member for Port Moody—Westwood—Port Coquitlam. I also spoke on this point of order and made comments that I would like to apologize for if they caused any undue concern and embarrassment to the member for Port Moody--Westwood--Port Coquitlam.
Hon. Jay Hill (Secretary of State and Chief Government Whip, CPC):
Mr. Speaker, I would like to express my appreciation to the chief opposition whip for that apology.
I would like to point out though, on this point of order, that all too often some members in the Chamber jump to conclusions and they can do other members a lot of damage and cause a lot of hurt unnecessarily.
Obviously, we look forward to the apology that I understand will be forthcoming from the member for London—Fanshawe as well, but the point is that what we have seen in the Chamber is some of the worst. When people are unjustly accused, it becomes a national media circus and story.
On behalf of my colleague who is not in the Chamber at the moment, and I know I am not supposed to say that but I think that is obvious, I will accept the apology of the hon. member.
However, I would point out that, especially as whips, we are the people who are responsible for the morale and the discipline of our respective caucuses. I think it is incumbent upon us to reflect on that and not jump to conclusions.
The Speaker:
I thank both whips for their submissions. The hon. member for Vancouver East is rising on the same point of order.
Ms. Libby Davies (Vancouver East, NDP):
Mr. Speaker, I would just like to say, listening to the opposition whip and the government whip, that certainly the member for London—Fanshawe will at the earliest opportunity be in the House to make an apology. Therefore, I just want to confirm that indeed that will happen.
The Speaker:
I thank the hon. members for their attention to this matter. As I indicated yesterday, in my view it was a completely invalid point of order and I also indicated that it was not appropriate for it to have been raised in the House.
Time to dump Irene, Jack.
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Thanks for putting that up, even though it was your day off.
I hope the people in London aren't too busy Xmas shopping to know what their MP is up to.
She doesn't need to protect the women of today, and why didn't she notice the dog in the picture.
"Mathyssen said her complaint about Moore came on a day in the House when the governing Tories "were talking about all the wonderful things they have done for women.""
This MP needs a long rest ... she is hallucinating.
Anyone watching QP that day KNOWS that both the Liberals and the NDP (I hardly ever pay attention to what the Bloc MPs say) kept hammering the government about MORE MORE MORE funds needed for women's issues.
The Conservatives were simply answering their inaccurate comments, not "talking about all the wonderful things they have done for women."
Parliament is now no longer just a gong show - It is the Theatre of the Absurd.
"Parliament is now no longer just a gong show - It is the Theatre of the Absurd."
You're right - according to Mathyssen's bio Drama was one of her majors ( I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere, but can't find the link)
according to Mathyssen's bio Drama was one of her majors
So we'll call her 'Irene, Irene the Drama Queen!' ;)
I hope James Moore realizes that this is just another female activist, only interested in helping us helpless women.
The people in BC can be very proud to have him as their MP.
Guess she stayed home Thursday and listened to what the media where saying about her 'little' incident and decided since apologies had already been given by Ms. Redman and Libby Davies she could get away with a half apology. She savaged another mp's character in a personal way and it is still getting media play, both the accusation and sortof apology, but in these busy times some people might only see the accusation. They don't have thhe time to listen to all this nonsence. What's even worse is she is still maintaining she is right (just should have approached him first - but of course then she wouldn't be getting all this attention). Who is projecting/promoting violence here? A man looking at his dog albeit with his girlfriend in a bikini in the background in the ocean for the purpose of showing a Liber mp they had the same breed of dog? Or is it someone directing a personal slanderous attack meant to smear another's reputation and that of his whole party? There is an abuser here and it is not Mr. Moore. I don't think she should be allowed back in the house till her apology has been reviewed by a member of the conservative party and accepted and then and only then can she be allowed back in. This is violence against men. Violence - period - needs to be stopped.
This type of thing is not new to the NDP. I remember years ago, Bob Hunter, who used to be on CityTV news in the morning and a environment activist, did some writing about how he IN HIS YOUTH experimented with pot and LSD - well, NDP's Marilyn Churley lied and lied about him and accused him of child abuse - ya, Churley who goes on Duffy and other shows as as strategist for the NDP with her ever so phony sweet and innocent voice.
I heard from a friend that the James Moore issue has the US news media (I think he said it was ABC).
My opinion - Mathyssen should be suspended from parliament. This not only hit Canada, but the US.
Can you imagine how embarrassing this must be for Moore, especially if he has to deal with any US government people.
I am a Liberal - please don't attack me for being one. But, like all Liberals do, we know when something is totally wrong.
Still waiting for the Naveep Bains apology from the CPC. You see, these things do hurt and now the CPC may realize how much.
Apparently Mike Duffy said it was a Liberal MP (he didn't name the person) who ran over to him and said that Mathyssen was wrong - he was the one who Moore was showing the picture to of his "dog".
Yup - I think Mathyssen should be suspended for a period of time - just like you do when you are bad in school or do something wrong in a hockey game.
Because - it appears she's not going to let it go. I think she's trying to use it for political points and I do hope the people in London who elected her come to their senses.
It seems to me, that the NDP think government and parliament is a protest walk.
"Is Irene Mathyssen crazy?"
She's NDP, same same.
Joanne - I agree. I hope this costs her her seat.
All she had to do was say "I’m sorry, I made assumptions and overreacted"!! Would that have been so hard?
I know I’ll personally go down there and doorknock to defeat her come the next election.
I'm going out this morning, but please leave your comments and I'll moderate them later.
Remember - This is the season of Peace on Earth and Good Will towards Men.
I know I’ll personally go down there and doorknock to defeat her come the next election.
I'll join you.
Did she repeat any of these accusations outside of the HOC? If so, I hope Moore goes after her civily. A personal apology would most likely have ended this, but she won't give one. She deserves to be sued.
Hence my many comments that refer to the politically correct as a bunch of tongue clucking finger wagging scolds.
I do not understand why people tolerate their behaviour at all and why when we get to something like Mathyssen's stupidity that there is any surprise.
Still no one has addressed the fact that she was eavesdropping. No different from listening in on somebodies telephone conversation or reading their mail.
Mathyssen should be censured.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Mathyssen the same person who went to 24 Sussex on Valentine's Day or something in some sort of protest putting Valentine hearts all over the fence. Sorry, I just have a vague memory of it.
I do remember Pat Martin doing a press conference relating to asbestos using puppets.
Flaky or what.
kai_wolf - yes she has gone outside the House. Moore said in the House yesterday that he's waiting for her apology in the House on Monday and then is willing to leave it behind us.
But, this stupid woman won't stop - she's left herself open for a legal suit after he was so gracious.
Perhaps what Mathyssen is really objecting to was not the "scantily clad woman" but rather the "NAKED DOG". It is an affront on dogs to be shown naked in laptops inside the hollowed chambers of the House of Commons.
She should be sued for defamantion/libel as she keeps on repeating this nonesense outside the HC. Are we paying these people to be idiots or parliamenterians , maybe idiot parliamentarians, and perhaps Canadians deserve the levle of service they are receiving for the people they elect.
And for all Liberals, Karen Redman should be ashamed of herself for so easily joining the bandwagon to pile up on Mr. Moore. To think she is the Liberal Party whip, this is so degrading to the position (not to her). She shold resign as Opposition Party Whip.
"'Irene, Irene the Drama Queen!'"
Good one!
On a local talk show, an NDP strategist said Mathyssen had apologized "a few minutes ago." That was at 10:50.
Since Mathyssen made her accusation at the end of QP, she should have apologized during the same time period, not ten minutes before QP begins on a Friday morning, when only a few members are in the House.
What I find most disturbing of all, though, is the apparent hatred of men - any man - that this incident brings up. During most of QP leading up to Dec. 6, most of the so-called questions were on women's issues.
The bile demonstrated by the women asking those "questions," talking about women being abused and suffering violence at the hands of men, as if every man is lurking around the corner ready to inflict that violence, and accusing the Conservatives of complicity, is unconscionable.
Mathyssen should be expelled from her party and asked to sit as an independent she is a total disgrace to all Canadians
i just realized why they are going after Peter McKay
Elizabeth May is running against him
i couldn't make sense of it before now it is crystal clear
Florence
So a Member of Parliament looking at pics of his dog and bikini clad women on his laptop while at work in the House of Commons in of no concern? Yeah, right. If this was a Member of of any other political party other than the Conservative party you folks would be all over it like flies on shite.
Nobody does hypocrisy quite like a conservative.
Yes she did repeat this to reporters and she is quoted in all the major MSM, I know my advise to Mr. Moore is , she offers and unconditional retraction and apology on Monday or he calls his lawyer, the bonus part is the NDP has said they are going to use the max allowed funding for the next election, it is going to be a real same when it is being used up settling defamation claims instead. The lady is just out there, who taught her morals, she is totally wrong and must apology without conditions the same as the Lib MP did, which I congratulate her for.
Mathyssen only won her seat by 900 votes in 2006--mostly due to Liberal voters staying home on election day. The Conservative candidate came pretty close as well. She'll likely be a one-timer MP.
Mathyssen has been know in London as a busybody and a political noisemaker for years. She invents issues to get her name in the local media.
All she had to do was say "I’m sorry, I made assumptions and overreacted"!! Would that have been so hard?
For many people (and, unfortunately, this applies to people from all across the political spectrum, not just to Ms Mathyssen), this absolutely is too hard to do.
Nationalnewswatch had the photo of irene with her big valentine box a few days ago. The ndp has the largest number of women in their caucus. Just proves women do not improve the IQ of a party. Maybe she was just having a pms moment.
Dion should pay attention to that when he want another 33% of women mps.
Women mps are always complaining about being stereotyped and how insulting that is to women. So, what color does BS use for her book, PINK.
James moore has a fellow NDP victim he can talk to, one Gwyn Morgan.
On a local talk show, an NDP strategist said Mathyssen had apologized "a few minutes ago." That was at 10:50.
Thanks, Gabby. Just got back from a marathon shopping trip. I found a good link which I'll post shortly.
You're welcome, Joanne.
Hope you enjoyed your shopping marathon. Hey, let's keep the wheels of the Canadian economy going! :-)
Lord Omar,
"So a Member of Parliament looking at pics of his dog and bikini clad women on his laptop while at work in the House of Commons in of no concern?"
Oh, my, congratulations on the work ethic!
But, do you know when the "reveal" took place?
Anyone who watches the HoC proceedings would know that when bills are being debated or there's private members' business, only the debaters are in the House, with a very small contingent of supporters who usually sit near the debater so that on TV it looks as if there's an audience.
The House was on the point of adjourning in the evening [see the L.Ian Macdonald link Joanne provided]. That is when the "reveal" took place, at closing time.
If you don't trust Mr. Macdonald's account (after all, he merely sits in the press gallery of the HoC, unlike us experts) ;-0 go to Hansard:
http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&Parl=39&Ses=2&DocId=3172668#OOB-2246738
Adjournment Proceedings
P.S. It wasn't "women" Mr. Moore has on his computer, i.e. plural.
All reports speak of one "woman," his girlfriend.
Irene hasn't got too many fans in London actually. She only just squeaked to victory in the last election.
She's such a fool, and an embarrassment not just to the NDP but to anyone close to London.
We're not at all amused and she certainly is not respresentative of folks here.
She reminds me of Gladys Kravitz in the show Bewitched. You know that neighbour who was always poking her nose in everyone's business.
Hey Jack.....call Mrs. Kravitz off or you'll pay big time next election.
The moral of this story is that no matter how many times you tell people that the two MP's were looking at a picture of a dog, they still want to think the worst. The poor girl in all this story was only in the background.
can you imagine if James Moore had risen in the legislature and suggested that he saw Irene fanning herself furiously because she appeared to be suffering menopausal hot flashes and he found it offensive....how that would have gone over???
I like the Mrs. Kravitz label...fits perfectly.
may Irene's jealous? What's she look like in a bikini? Or may be it's the dog she felt she missed?
All of these scenarios fits in light of her bizarre behaviour.
You don't think she's got a "thing" for James Moore do you?
Yikes
"Lord Omar,
"So a Member of Parliament looking at pics of his dog and bikini clad women on his laptop while at work in the House of Commons in of no concern?"
Its of no concern to me. Is it a concern to you Garth Turner posts on his blog all day long when he is in the HoC? I could care less, but I would imagine you must find a sitting MP posting vile pictures and calling the PM such things as a "whore" during working hours equally concerning, right?
My concern is more with MP's who continue to draw a salary and earn pension time while being over in China doing business dealings for themselves, not Canadians. Paul Martin ring a bell LO? And give me your opinion on Martin being AWOL about 90% of the time.
You wanna talk about hypocrisy? How about the two weeks of non-stop whining about Peter Mackay and the dog comment, yet Liberal MP's make sexist remarks about Rona Ambrose or Helen Geurgis in the house, heard on Hansard, and thats ok? Where was Stronach's outrage when Ambrose was referred to in sexist comments during a climate conference?
Hypocrisy my F@%@$%G As&
paulsstuff
Lord Omar
Consider yourself SMACKED DOWN
Terrible way to start your weekend eh?
And would somebody please get paulsstuff a blog already??
Well done ps....
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And would somebody please get paulsstuff a blog already??
I've been encouraging him to do that too, but I don't want him to stop commenting here either!!
What bothers me, as a female, is that Mathyssen can get away with slandering a male, who as a male, doesn't dare defend himself, because it would look like he is beating up on a poor defenseless female.
She used her gender as a club, and I am tired for feminists getting away with this crap because they know they can.
Also, this was discussed by the NDP causus, so ALL NDP members are just as guilty, none of them asked James Moore about the pictures.
There is so much I can say on this issue, but it boils down to three main things: 1# Irene Mathyssen is a sexist and a bigot. She offends me as a woman and as a Canadian. 2# The NDP claiming to be the conscience of the country and the “effective opposition” is absolute BS. Between this Irene nut, Thomas Muclair and f-bomb, conspiracy theory, pencil throwing Pat Martin; the NDP are basically the same as the liberals. The only difference is the NDP never had a sponsorship scandal, but to be fair they have never had the opportunity. Finally, point #3: By rising above this, James Moore has proven that he is a great Canadian, an upstanding politician, and above all a true gentleman.
It was reported to me on another blog that I was the unfortunate vicitm of a so-called "SMACK DOWN", well, let me just say that Zzzzzz...
So your reply to Garth Turner blogging from the HoC, Paul Martin in China on personal business on taxpayers dime, Liberal's reaction from doogy-gate yet apparent willingness to allow their own MP's to allow sexist remarks? What was it the Liberal's called Diane Ablonczy in the hous again Lord Omar? What was that comment John McCallum made about Elsie Wayne, who has more class in her little pinky then the entire Liberal party?
And hey, considering all this interest in Mulroney-Schreiber, what about Martin-Strong. You know, Maurice Strong, the one implicated in the Oil-For-Food Scam involving millions stolen from the poor?
And hey, when Dion said he would travel to Afghanistan first chance he got, it never dawned on me Bali was in Afghanistan. Any idea what Dion said about Layton showing up at the Montreal Climate conference. Something about him not needing to be there because he was not in the governing party. Think he said Layton was trying to "sabotage" the conference.
You yapped about Conservative hypocrisy, try looking to the Left to see it rather than the Right, it's pretty easy to spot.
paulsstuff
Could someone please call a virtual doctor, it seems Lord Omar has developed a nasty case of
trypanosomiasis.
This just in, it is now an official DOUBLE SMACK DOWN.
Get that man to emergency, STAT..
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I was going to comment here until I saw Elsie Wayne and class mentioned in the same breath. Elsie Wayne is a classless bigot who should be considered for confinement to a white's only nursing home. As for all your other ramblings I would just say Liberal and Tory same old, greasy bloody story. The more things change the more they... blah-blah dee-blah, blah, blah, blah...
Wow, what an excellant rebuttal Lord Omar. You must have been at the top of your class all the way through school whith debating points like that. Slag the Conservatives as hypocrites, state you have a problem with Moore and his laptop, and after all that say there all the same. BRILLIANT!! OUTSTANDING!!
Brilliant comment on Elsie Wayne as well. You managed to criticise all those religions who are against same-sex marriage as bigoted, as well as those in their senior years. I'm sure your parents are proud.
Hey, speaking of class, as far as I know Elsie Wayne was never denied entry on an airplane because of being drunk while on government business. Guess who was?
And I guess the reference to McCallum's comment during Question Period flew right over your head. It was merely to highlight yours and the lefts hypocritical stance on Conservatives for things they do themselves, especially with the anti-woman spiel.
Merry Christmas.
Ooops, sorry, Happy Holidays. Wouldn't want to offend ya:0)
paulsstuff
Interesting. We went from this:
"Nobody does hypocrisy quite like a conservative."
To this:
"As for all your other ramblings I would just say Liberal and Tory same old, greasy bloody story. The more things change the more they... blah-blah dee-blah, blah, blah, blah..."
So does nobody do hypocrisy like a Conservative, or have you now moved onto the new tagline their both the same?
paulsstuff
Go easy on poor Lord Omar. He's one of my favourite lefties. ;)
"Go easy on poor Lord Omar. He's one of my favourite lefties. ;)"
What, I wished him Happy Holidays :00
paulsstuff
What, I wished him Happy Holidays :00
lol!!
I have not commented here in days because every time I come here, and see all of you with your scanties in such a knot, I cannot stop laughing!
Hahahahahahahaha!
Yes you should go easy on me as lately I am not all that against PM Harper et al. Mind you I will never vote for them, but as long as they don't take too hard of a right turn, for me they are basically benign. I will tell you this, I would rather be a Liberal supporter (which I am not) worrying about whether Dion can hold the Conservatives to another minority then a Conservative supporter fretting about winning that elusive first majority. That the CPC always seems stalled in the polls says to me that many of the fence sitters appear unwilling to commit to the cause. And that is more than fine by me.
PS... I was being facetious about Elsie. I respect her in a Don Cherry sort of way.
I think what you see in the polls is the way it will stay for a very long time. Barring a major faux pas from Harper or Dion, both parties would appear to have hit the ceiling with decided voters.
Of course if the NDP gets into the practice of having to dole out apologies twice a week for stupidity who knows what can happen in the future.
I will say though, and this is my opinion and I'm sure some will disagree, that whenever the next election campaign begins, Dion has to a far better job of communicating in English, and I don't mean his accent, but his ability to put sentences together coherently. You can still see in the House that when he gets ruffled his ablity to convey his thoughts takes a severe hammering. Doing so when Canadians are actually paying attention to the politicians might not be a good thing.
paulsstuff
"PS... I was being facetious about Elsie. I respect her in a Don Cherry sort of way."
Elsi complained about French hockey players wearing visors too?
paulsstuff:0)
i hardly think destroying the good name of a honarable elected member of parliament
"scanties in a knot"
this is a serious allegation made against James Moore i strongly recommend he consult his lawyer
Mathyssen's smear tactics were taken outside of the protection of HOC
Florence
I would rather be a Liberal supporter (which I am not)..
I thought I should come back to quantify that statement a bit. I commenced monetarily supporting the Liberal party back in May. I did this purely based on my wish to do my part in hopefully preventing the Conservatives from winning a majority government in the next election and for my strong conviction that Stéphane Dion will make more than a fine Prime Minister. Hey, what can I say, I prefer my leaders come from a minority group, were radical when they were young, that they are extensively traveled and bookish. In my world, without exception, the nerd will always trump the bully. So yeah, as a former red Tory who has steadily leaned to the left in his later years, my heart will always be with the NDP, but to borrow a page out of Jack Layton's playbook I have decided to lend my vote (and support) to the Liberals. For the first time in my voting life. Reason over passion. It's a simple as that.
i hardly think destroying the good name of a honarable elected member of parliament
"scanties in a knot"
You hardly think much about anything, you just spew.
I hardly think his good name was destroyed, unless his name was inadvertently seen as better than it actually is. I think the picture that emerges from this is accurate.
He was caught goofing off on the job. He played dumb. He stonewalled. He certainly didn't try to defuse the situation, instead tried to play the victim with the same kind of fake indignation and false outrage we see here most days in BT land.
He is certainly a typical harperite.
this is a serious allegation made against James Moore i strongly recommend he consult his lawyer
Your scanties really are in a knot! This is a tempest in a teapot.
As expected, with you people an apology is never enough. She could resign her seat and maybe that would be enough. But I doubt it. The shrieking would go on. Right now it's being called a "forced" apology here. Any proof of that? Of course not. Just innuendo. But carry on with your smear!
She did apologize. Not that you would know, though. Has any CPC MP ever apologized for anything? I can't recall any instance. Maybe someone here knows.
Mathyssen's smear tactics were taken outside of the protection of HOC
You call it a smear. I guess everything is a smear to you, if it is not shouting from the rooftops the praises of PMSH. The continued shrieking is simply an attempt to extend PMSH's muzzle on his own MP's to everyone else.
Since Moore is a public figure, you would have to prove malice, which of course is why you invariably call it a smear. As if she deliberately slandered him. Think anyone buys that? She was foolish, but malice? You'll have to stop calling her stupid or crazy to make malice stick.
And of course, in the discovery process, his computer would have to be scanned for any images that may be on it. After all, she might not have seen what he claims she saw.
Florence
You never did explain or retract your allegation RT attended the liberals leadership convention.
Florence
You never did explain or retract your allegation RT attended the liberals leadership convention.
Just out of curiosity, why would this be such a horrendous allegation? Does he hate the Liberals that much?
Now me at a Liberal convention; yes that would be a smear.
Just out of curiosity, why would this be such a horrendous allegation?
It isn't horrendous at all. Why do you constantly play the victim? A statement was made by Florence that I don't think is true. I'd like to know if it was simply fabricated out of thin air, or if it was possibly a mistake.
Isn't simply asking, which is what I have done twice now, the very same thing you are moaning that Irene should have done?
Maybe the practice of attacking the questioner, instead of responding in a forthright manner, is a trait shared between here and Mr. Moore.
Maybe Mathyssen knew she would be subjected to abuse and attacks, and that she would not get a simple straight answer out of Moore. Just like here!
Maybe that is why she simply rose in the house to question the matter.
Maybe that is why she simply rose in the house to question the matter.
Question???
"At that time, I saw the member for Port Moody—Westwood—Port Coquitlam with an open laptop on his desk and on the screen was an image of a scantily clad woman. This was in my clear view and in the clear view of the public gallery."
See? You know perfectly well what I meant. You can "question the matter" by making an assertion about it, and you know it.
You're so obsessed with your objective, that you cannot think rationally.
All you do is attack. Trying to shut down any alternate views. Hoping somehow to bamboozle your way to the coveted majority. Which you need exactly why? It seems the Opposition lets you do anything you want. What would you do differently with a majority? What exactly are you not sharing with Canadians until it's too late?
Still no word on anything else I raised, is there? Just pick something inconsequential to attack and run with that.
Like I said, it's been hilarious watching all the dissembling and faux indignation.
Scanties indeed in a knot!
Hahahahahahaha!
I simply asked why this matters so much to you.
Hohohohohohoho!
I simply asked why this matters so much to you.
Yes you did. I am no longer still beating my wife.
I explained it, but as we can see in the House, explanations are ignored. Anything that gets in the way of your narrative is ignored.
I laugh mainly because this situation is such a perfect illustration of what is wrong with the Harper party. The party of anger. The party of shouting down. The party that is showing its true colours.
Yes, I am certainly the Harper government personified. No doubt. And I am angry. Yes indeed.
Good grief.
LS, I guess you are just to clever for us. Yep the party of anger.
Who was screaming I want my Canada back? Oh yeah, Ken Dryden.
Who is the Captain of feigned indignation? My guess would be Ralph Goodale, the master of demanding an apology.
Which party feigned indignation about a "dog comment". Oh yeah, that's the Liberals as well.
Which party leader, now currently in Bali, promised to go to Afghanistan as soon as possible, while at the same time feigning indignation about Harper's policies on our military in that country? Oh, yeah Liberal leader Dion.
Which party speaks for all Canadians, ignoring the fact they are no longer the governing party? Ooops, Liberal's again.
Which party agreed with the income trust taxation change, and now has promotional trips for a whiny MP saying that it was bad policy? Starts with L.
Which non-elected MP had his mic cut off on Duffy for shouting down the other guests recently? Why, that would be Liberal Gerard Kenedy.
Which party allowed ghg emissions to rise 35%, yet now ignores that fact and whines Harper should meet Kyoto, even though the new leader has repeated in the past he would have had to tell Canadians his party could not meet Kyoto. Here's a hint:Kyoto, dog.
And this is just a beaut:
"Maybe the practice of attacking the questioner, instead of responding in a forthright manner, is a trait shared between here and Mr. Moore."
Followed by:
"You're so obsessed with your objective, that you cannot think rationally."
And this:
"Like I said, it's been hilarious watching all the dissembling and faux indignation."
Then this:
"The party of anger. The party of shouting down. The party that is showing its true colours."
In hockey that would be called scoring on your own goal.
paulsstuff
Here's agood example of feigned indignation for you LS. Or some might call it plain old lying.
Dion today:
"I never broke my word in 11 years in politics," Mr. Dion said. "I am a trustworthy person ... I want to destroy the sense of cynicism that no politician will stick to his or her word. I always did it. I don't over-commit and when I'm committing, I will deliver. It's the message this whole caucus will carry."
Dion last year:
For years, the Liberals — who signed Kyoto in 1997 and ratified it in 2002 — struggled with how to reach Canada’s mandated target of a 6% reduction in greenhouse gas emissions (not pollution) below 1990 levels. They never settled on a plan. Meanwhile, they watched as emissions rose to nearly 30% above 1990 levels.
Internally, many in the Liberal government admitted this country would never meet its Kyoto commitments. But publicly, no minister ever conceded that fact. They all clung to the charade that somewhere over the next hill or around the next corner lies a new technology that would enable Canada to dramatically reduce emissions without cutting hundreds of thousands of jobs and devastating the economy.
So Mr. Dion’s admission of last summer was a stunner, somuch so that Mr. Ivison checked his tape of their conversation against the tape made by Mr. Dion’s staff to make certain he had heard the new Liberal chief correctly. He had.
However, since becoming leader two months ago, Mr. Dion has invested somuch of his public image in his unwavering belief in the science of climate change, and in Kyoto as a necessary step to reversing global warming, that he cannot afford tohave voters thinking that just seven short months ago he was prepared to admit Kyoto was a bust.
paulsstuff
Gee, paulstuff, you sound angry.
Thank you for demonstrating my point, once again.
Keep it up!
Hahahahahaha!
" Still no word on anything else I raised, is there? Just pick something inconsequential to attack and run with that.
Like I said, it's been hilarious watching all the dissembling and faux indignation."
Jokes on you LS.
You just confirmed what I pointed out. Not one remark about the Liberal's feigned indignation, hypocricy on Kyoto, or whatever the flavor of the day is.
Of course then again you probably miss the fine conversation put forth on the blog by the blogger formerly know as RT. Perhaps you, Kevron, Ti-guy, wayward, etc. might start up your own support group. You could borrow from the name of another show, and call yourself "The group not smarter than fifth graders".
Merry Christmas LS. I'm sure your really not that bad a guy/gal:0)
paulsstuff
ad hominem, condescension, belittlement.
You do it all!
The best part is I don't think you realize it, nor do you realize how ridiculous it makes you look.
Still waiting for answers to my earlier questions.
And your example of selective Dion quotes? You have one where he says he never broke his word, but your supposed contrast to that doesn't make any sense. Not that you intended it to, I suppose. It looks like an excerpt from an article, but without the source, who knows how mangled your version is? One would think it is supposed to be an example of where he broke his word, but I don't see it. I guess you're too clever for the rest of us.
Keep up the good work!
Well, lets see. Dion says he is trustworthy, and has never broken his word. Says he would have met Kyoto targets, yet on page 299 of Paul Well's book right side up admits that if the Liberal's had won the 2006 election he would have told Canadians he could not meet Kyoto. Thats not me taking words or an article out of context, thats Dion's own admission. Of course the Liberals lost the election so now he says he would have met the targets. You explain it.
As for not seeing the contrast and blaming for for mangled quotes, I would have thought this explained it for you:
"So Mr. Dion’s admission of last summer was a stunner, somuch so that Mr. Ivison checked his tape of their conversation against the tape made by Mr. Dion’s staff to make certain he had heard the new Liberal chief correctly. He had."
If you still doubt it google Dion Ivison. Its easy to find.
As for who looks ridiculous in their posts, I have no problem letting the other posters on here make that decision. All I ever see from you is a whole lotta yada yada yada. Harper bad, yada yada yada, angry party yada yada yada, hidden agenda yada yada yada, attack me yada yada yada. Perhaps you might find Garth Turner's blog more to your liking. it's a whole lotta something about nothing.
paulsstuff
I'd have to read what was said in the book you cite. But since I see "would have", it is hard to hang a charge of lying on what some guy says some other guy said he would have said.
Perhaps you might find Garth Turner's blog more to your liking.
I won't go to a non blogger blog. "garth.ca"? No.
Interesting you would suggest I go there. After earlier suggesting I start some support group with people who commented at RT. Sounds like you want me to go away.
Losing the discussion are we? Want me to go away?
Too bad. That is for Joanne to decide.
Hahahahahahahaha!
"Losing the discussion are we? Want me to go away"
If you think I was lsoing that discussion then I guess you believe in unicorns too(and I don't mean the pop band).
Actually LS, here is the deal. Lets have a debate. You can pick the subject. Kyoto, Afghanistan, the economy, same-sex marriage,Shreiber, adscam, whatever you want. You can represent the Liberal opinion and I'll represent the Conservative opinion. You can start or I will. Lets see how you do. I'm sure others on here would find it entertaining.
We can go point, counter-point, and provide links and quotes. So you pick the subject.
As for garth's site, just seems more like your kind of crowd. I'm perfectly happy having you hang around here.
So go ahead, pick the subject.
paulsstuff
"I won't go to a non blogger blog. "garth.ca"? No."
Uh Oh, now you did it. Garth is the biggest and best blogger out there. I know cause he told me. You are probably about to be attacked by BillyMuskoky, Duh Prince, SLuG, and all the others that hang out with Garth(in his basement I think).
paulsstuff
Paul, he means "Blogger" blogs. He thinks he can be traced anywhere else.
;)
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