Monday, September 24, 2007

'Progressive' parties seem to be against new ideas in Ontario

What a radical idea! John Tory is proposing that we consider letting Mom & Pop stores sell local wine and beer!

Oh wait. Alberta and Quebec already permit that irresponsible behaviour.

Well, there are plenty of reasons to rage against this craziness. It might encourage under-age drinking.

Oh wait. They're already selling cigarettes. What's the difference?

"Mom and pop'' stores already sell age-restricted products -- such as tobacco and sexually explicit magazines -- and have some of the toughest age-verification programs in North America, said (Dave) Bryans, who suggested the province could start with those 3,000 stores that have electronic-verification systems and go from there.

Well, John Tory is back-tracking. He seemed cool to the idea before!

Oh wait. He's just saying let's discuss it. Let's keep an open mind.

Well, no matter what, convenience stores just can't be trusted. Right, Dalton?




Seriously though, why do Progressives seem so resistant to change in certain situations? What is the common factor?

Could it be that the protection of union monopolies trumps everything else?



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Update
: 'Anonymous' just reminded me that Ontario is already selling alcohol "all over this province", according to OPSEU's Leah Casselman. And she is not pleased about that.

More hypocrisy, double standards and two-tiered justice.

Related: Small beer equals big gripes - Post. This is not a new concept:

In 2005 Ontario's Liberal government commissioned a report into liquor and beer sales, which recommended the government sell the LCBO and allow beer sales in corner stores. It was rejected out of hand by Finance Minister Greg Sorbara, who said the recommendation "simply is not acceptable to the government. We don't think it's in the public interest."

John Tory's proposal applies only to products made in Ontario wineries and breweries.


21 comments:

Anonymous said...

Has Northern Ontario already seperated? Locals have been selling booze next to the milk and bread for a long time now.

Joanne (True Blue) said...

Locals have been selling booze next to the milk and bread for a long time now.

That would provide a great venue for a study on the issue.

Joanne (True Blue) said...

BTw, thanks Anon. I just added that point as an update.

Wayward Son said...

"Has Northern Ontario already seperated? Locals have been selling booze next to the milk and bread for a long time now."

Only in very small communities. I grew up in a town of 5000. We had a beer and a liquor store. I spent the last 4 years living in a different small town of 4000 - same thing.

OMMAG said...

Don't you think that the real objection the Socialist politicians don't like the idea of having control slip away.

For the record Ontario has had the MOST backward liquor related licensing in Canada ever since Prohibition and no evidence exists that supports those feeble claims about underage drinking and unbridled alcohol abuse.

It's all about controlling the money.

Joanne (True Blue) said...

For the record Ontario has had the MOST backward liquor related licensing in Canada ever since Prohibition and no evidence exists that supports those feeble claims about underage drinking and unbridled alcohol abuse.

Nonetheless, 'Mothers Against Drunk Driving' is apparently very MADD at John Tory. *Sigh*

Anonymous said...

How about some common sense. I respect the MADD group but they must surely know that if kids want booze, there is always an adult who will supply it. It is not the guys behind the counter.
And who would have more to lose? The local milk and bread shops in Northern Ontario are usually a owner-operator who lives in the apartment at the back. If he sells illegally, he'd lose his shirt. If the union protected people at the LCBO sell illegally, what would happen?

Joanne (True Blue) said...

If he sells illegally, he'd lose his shirt.

That's right. And we're talking domestic beer and wine here. No hard stuff. Just a way to boost Ontario industry.

Anonymous said...

Hey let's go for it - we'll have the news like they have in Buffalo - another robbery at a liquor stores - details at eleven.

I like going into the liquor stores - browsing around and the one in my small town is really classy.

Joanne (True Blue) said...

Hey let's go for it - we'll have the news like they have in Buffalo - another robbery at a liquor stores - details at eleven.

What part of "domestic wine & beer only" don't you understand?

Möbius said...

I grew up in Quebec.

We could buy a bottle of beer at the local corner store for about 30 cents, and they'd pop the top off, and supply the paper bag to hide it in.

Joanne (True Blue) said...

Möbius - lol! And look. You turned out o.k., right?

Anonymous said...

The LCBO rips off consumers - it should be sold and the market opened up to competition.

Sheena said...

My favourite thing about moving to K-W this summer is that when the wind blows just right I can smell the Brick Brewery roasting and malting and fermenting away. Like a big giant hand of beer cookie smell grabbing me by the nose and leading me to the cooling waters of Red Cap...

liberal supporter said...

Oktoberfest ist wunderbar

KEvron said...

"What's the difference?"

cigarettes impare neither judgement nor motor function.

KEvron

Joanne (True Blue) said...

Like a big giant hand of beer cookie smell grabbing me by the nose and leading me to the cooling waters of Red Cap...

Sheena - Hi! That's so poetic. lol!

Nothing like the scent of fresh hops in the air. Used to smell like that near the Labatts plant in Waterloo, but that's gone now. Seagrams is gone too. We just have Brick. Great little brewery. We must support it; if only for that lovely aroma.

Joanne (True Blue) said...

L.S. - Prost!!

Kevron - I'll give you that one. However, over-the-counter sleeping aids can also impair judgment; especially if an overdose is taken. They should probably be sold in a government controlled bureaucracy too.

Anonymous said...

Was MADD recently in hot water using their money for supporting overhead and not using it as most folks would have thought?

A recent study by our local health unit surveyed youth on alcohol consumption. Turns out kids said that they had their first taste of booze in Grade 6. And, many teens told facilitators that they drink because their parents let them. It was good enough for parents, it's ok for the kids.

My region has the highest number of alcohol related vehicular deaths in Ontario.

Möbius said...

"Möbius - lol! And look. You turned out o.k., right?"

Hmmm....now that you mention it, I'm not so sure.

Möbius said...

"cigarettes impare neither judgement nor motor function.

KEvron"

Yeah!? Try driving in a straight line after you've dropped one in your lap!