When you go to the polls, please keep this names in mind:
Etta Young
Sam Gualtieri
Mike Brady
Lindsay McCreith, Shona Holmes
Parents of autistic son, Neil and Elana Meirovich
Mike Quattrociocchi
Trish and Jim McAuliffe
Bob Edmonds
Dave Brown and Dana Chatwell
These are just a few of the real people in Ontario, who have been hurt by Dalton McGuinty in one way or another. They don't live inside a bubble. They are your neighbours, your co-workers, your friends, your family.
If you choose four more years of Dalton McGuinty, please be prepared to explain your actions to those people. If you help give him a majority, you are condoning his arrogance, stubborn tunnel vision, broken promises, and blatant disregard for accountability.
Please vote with compassion and conscience. Thank you.
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A note to my readers - If you have personal stories to share or have links to people in Ontario who have suffered during the McGuinty years, please leave a comment. Thanks.
Monday Update - How did we come to this?
Where Tory's wheels came off - Lorrie Goldstein.
John Tory for Ontario - Sun.
Weighing Tory and McGuinty - Globe.
Don't Mess with Tradition - Sun:
Monday Update - How did we come to this?
Where Tory's wheels came off - Lorrie Goldstein.
John Tory for Ontario - Sun.
Weighing Tory and McGuinty - Globe.
Don't Mess with Tradition - Sun:
A BATTLE IS COMING
The Charter of Rights and Freedom, rightly or wrongly, has successfully been used to challenge the Canadian constitution and the BNA Act Some could even argue that the Charter has made the BNA act and the Constitution irrelevant. I'm betting another battle will happen again in Ontario pretty soon, and McGuinty will have to choose between funding everybody or nobody. I think I know what he will decide.
Catholics, consider yourselves warned.
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Boy is this a pathetic "beg".
Do you want a list of people who benefitted from the McGuinty years as well?
To use the challenges of children as a political stunt is disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. My girlfriend has a son that is autistic - she doesn't like being the political pawn for Tory/NDP - she's disgusted.
joanne, how about a list of those who suffered under the "common sense" revolution? it would be 30 times as long as almost as pathitic as this post.
TangoJuliette sez to
anon 10:46.
Hey!Anon. Thanks for your insights.
Please note that the feelings expressed by your girlfriend and yourself give me no degree of comfort in knowing that my tax money was mis-used by McGuinty to mount an expensive legal battle against families with autistic children.
Are the two of you really and truly "okay" with THIS sort of behaviour from our Premier??
If yes: Just how compartementalized is your mind, your heart, your soul?
If yes: Talk about raw examples of rancid and unthinking and unfeeling partisanship! WOW!!
tj
t.e.&o.e.
Hey Jeff, Ill take Harris over McGuinty anyday.
Are you adding onto Mcguinty's list the thousands of workers in the manufacturing sector who have lost their jobs?
Are you adding onto the list the seniors and those living on low-incomes who got nailed with a so-called "health tax" that has gone into general revenues where it has found it's way to such important things as the Ontario Cricket Club?
Or are you just such a completely ignorant blind Liberal partisan hack that you can't remember back 4 years ago when McGuinty continually brought up attacks on Harris during the election campaign about not funding autistic children past the age of 6 and telling those parents that he will indeed pay for those programs, only to refuse once elected and fighting those same parents in court?
And when you are done answering those questions, not that I'm holding my breath, try sliding back to the other blogs where you left baseless and factually wrong posts and try growing the balls neccesary to address your wrong info?
And once more I'll put it here as well for you Jeff, 23 subtract 22 does not equal 2. Friggin idiot.
In a letter, dated September 17th, 2003, to Bradford, Ontario, parent Nancy Morrison, McGuinty said:
“I … believe that the lack of government-funded IBI treatment for autistic children over six is unfair and discriminatory. The Ontario Liberals support extending autism treatment beyond the age of six. We are not at all confident that the Harris-Eves Conservatives care to devise any innovative solution for autistic children over six – especially those with best outcome possibilities that might potentially be helped within the school system with specially trained EAs. In government, my team and I will work with clinical directors, parents, teachers and school boards to devise a feasible way in which autistic children in our province can get the support and treatment they need. That includes children over the age of six.”
“After the election, McGuinty continued the former Conservative policy of arbitrarily cutting off the widely-hailed treatment to autistic children over six even though he promised not to,” said Martel, who joined parents and advocates of autistic children this morning for a rally outside Queen′s Park.
Martel is also concerned that allocated government funding won′t even benefit children with autism. A summary of the autism budget and expenditures shows that in 2003-04, six months under the McGuinty government, $80 million was budgeted to be spent, but $2.6 million was diverted to other children′s programs, $1.5 million was diverted to the Ministry of Training, Colleges, and Universities, and $32 million was returned to the Consolidated Revenue Fund unspent. Then, in 2004-05, $89 million was proposed to be spent, but $21 million was spent on children′s programs instead of aut
Tango Juliette sez to Jeff D:
Ah yes, that dastardly common sense revolution?
The one put into action to fight the excesses of the earlier provincial Liberal and NDP governments, which drove Ontario [Canada's once upon a time economic enigne] to the very brink of bankruptcy?
Whenever Mike Harris talked about a fiscal imbalance in the transfer of funds from Liberal Ottawa of the day, McGuinty, leading the opposition kept hollering "FedBashing! FedBashing!" while the Liberal Feds kept saying "there is no such thing as a fiscal imbalance," as they kept downloading all sorts of items onto the shoulders of the provinces.
So, yes Jeff, WHY NOT, indeed, produce a list of those who've suffered under the common sense revolution days -- as long as all the apporpriate Libs and Dips get the appropriate credit which they so rightly deserve.
One Bankrupting Lib Premier of the day -- David Peterson.
You know him, don't you. He's the guy who paved the way for the zillionairess, heir to a vast and non-unionized manufaturing empire, to cross the floor and join Paul Martins Flying Circus [motto: "Watch us thieves go down in flames!"] Seems that she too, like Maritn and Chretien, sees no problem in a two-tiered and privatized medical system, but strictly for the libleftoid elites, people just like them.
The Other Bankrupting Premier?
NDP [oops! FORMER Dipper] Bob Rae. same as above, only better. Do you remember RAEDAYS, baby? Imagine Bob as leader of Canada! Holy sphincter, Jeffie!
Go 'head. DO IT!
I DARE YOU to put together your list. And if you can do it honestly -- so much the better. Just remember -- there are many voters out here that do have good memories, and we don't drink the Pinnochio Slush Fund Graft and Theft KoolAid.
You go boy!!
tj
t.e.&.o.e.
Don't expect to see Jeff back anytime soon unless he grows a set. In that unlikely event I include this link for Jeff that surmises McGuinty's record of promises made and broken.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
http://splatto.net/blog/?p=735
I don't want to sound insensitive here but autism isn't the only challenge parents have - there are kids with other challenges and disabilities and I for one don't want to favour just one.
Don't lecture me please - I've been through it with downs syndrome/cerebral palsy and of course, my dear friend who's son is autistic.
There are lots of sad stories out there - but it isn't fair to select just one kind of problem is it?
There's a bigger picture here - aid for ALL who have families with these kinds of challenges - that would be the fair thing to do.
http://www.yorkregion.com/News/Newmarket/article/52593
here's another
If you help give him a majority, you are condoning his arrogance, tunnel vision, broken promises, and blatant disregard for accountability.
If it makes you feel any better a majority will not vote for Dalton McGuinty. The only thing that will give him that majority is our dysfunctional electoral system.
You want a story? Okay, try this one.
I used to work in film - it's how I got through university. After SARS in Toronto, film was struggling. This is also the year McGuinty got into power.
In one of his typical press conferences, he announced he was cancelling the 'corporate' tax breaks given to foreign film companies. This was supposed to bring in tens of millions of dollars. Instead, it killed the industry and put thousands of film employees out of work. The next two years were the slowest in Ontario's history; worse than the summer of SARS.
I'm young and skilled, so I successfully transferred to residential carpentry. A lot of other people weren't so lucky. Many moved west. I will still work with many others; they are labourers on construction sites.
McGuinty's plan didn't make money, it cost money and jobs. But it sounded good and played well to the media. That seems to be all he cares about.
It isn't as simple as that - fact is there are so many reality shows and garbage that the need for writers has diminished.
Want to know how many nurses, teachers, medical jobs of other kinds lost their jobs during the Harris years? How many went to the US and we haven't been able to build up the same since?
You talk about wait times - when Harris was in my mother waited over 3 years for hip surgery and the reason it got done when it did was because the hip had severed and hemmoraghed - she was 76 at the time - her blood went so low she had a transient stroke. I won't go into it, but I sure have a horror story about my father during those years - I should have sued.
Two of my husband's nephews lost a year at school because of teachers strikes - during the Conservative years.
Oh, we could go on and on.
Well that certainly is a shameful list. What does that say about the Conservatives that they are a dozen points behind? Seems as though to most Ontarians either they feel the Harris years were worse (I agree) or they feel that Tory has ran an aweful campaign (I agree). So begging won't help (and like there is anyone who visits this blog that is on the fence anyways). You what would have? An intelligent alternative.
Hey Joanne
You have done a wonderful job in expressing your feelings and educating an obviously uneducated populace. For the people who refer to the Harris years, don't forget who was in federally at the time, and cut millions of dollars to the provinces. I guess people will put up with obvious lies and give into fear of religion. In this case, it's better to go with the devil you don't know, than the devil you do.
Thanks for all your work Joanne.
Barb - "You have done a wonderful job in expressing your feelings and educating an obviously uneducated populace."
It always amazes me how people will just the intelligence of the electorate based on whether they vote for the party you support. I personally consider anyone who can't recognize the reasons why Tory didn't connect with the public is pretty stupid.
"For the people who refer to the Harris years, don't forget who was in federally at the time, and cut millions of dollars to the provinces."
Did anyone forget that?
"I guess people will put up with obvious lies"
People know that is the case no matter who you elect. Remember lying Brian? How about Harris' promise that not a cent would be cut from education or health care. Whoops. Oh, I know that was different.
"and give into fear of religion."
Actually, most people in Ontario are not afraid of religion. They just think that it should occur in the home and that a school should not be a place of worship.
"In this case, it's better to go with the devil you don't know, than the devil you do."
Especially considering what the "devil you don't know" has shown so far.
Please vote with compassion and conscience
They did. 4 years ago.
That's why the people of Ontario kicked out a government that closed hospitals, fired nurses, and cut the ministry of the environment's budget. Seven people in Walkerton died because of Mike The Knife's agenda. Dudley George is dead because Mike Harris wanted to "get the f@*ken indians out of the park". But, of course, you aren't going to hold a silent vigil for them. Are you?
The divise years of the Mike Harris and Ernie Eves are over and the province is starting to get back on its feet after the Harris/Eves steam roller set it back a generation.
If you could put your raging partisanship aside for a second and stop desperatly begging for votes you may be able to realize that.
That's funny.Paul Martin and the federal Liberal's cut billions from health spending in slaying the defecit and the leftards brag all the time about what a great job they did. Well, for wayward and all the others, here's a little known fact to think about.
Curiously, health spending has increased at a slower rate under the Liberals than it did during the last years of the Tory regime. Between 1999 and 2003, the Tories increased the amount they devoted to health care by $8.7 billion, or 43 per cent. Between 2003 and 2007, and in spite of their new tax, the Liberals boosted health spending by just 30 per cent.
Hey Joanne,
Do you want the name of a former classmate of mine who lost her American hockey scholarship because of a labour dispute in her final year of high school? The school which was about to offer her scholarship had a change of heart because in her final year she could not play any sports.
Oh wait, that was Ernie Eves.
Sorry, wrong guy.
Thanks for the input, Tori and others. I'll clean up this mess in a few days.
"Curiously, health spending has increased at a slower rate under the Liberals than it did during the last years of the Tory regime. Between 1999 and 2003, the Tories increased the amount they devoted to health care by $8.7 billion, or 43 per cent. Between 2003 and 2007, and in spite of their new tax, the Liberals boosted health spending by just 30 per cent."
"Later in its first term, Harris's government increased health spending to record levels to counter transfer cuts from the federal government, and hired new nurses. It also introduced Telehealth Ontario, a new 24-hour toll-free telephone help line with live connection to registered nurses. Harris also announced funding vehicles such as the Ontario R&D Challenge Fund, the Ontario Innovation Trust and the Premier's Research Excellence Awards.
anon 625
that's right. conservatives actually put MORE money in healthcare compared to the libs. It was in the Star, and they were quoting stats compliled by CIHI (canadian institute for health information) which is a non-profit non partisan data warehouse.
funny how the left ignore that fact.
But you got to cut the libs some slack- how else would they be able to buy votes without using the "healthcare premium"?
The misunderstanding of the Harris years is mindboggling. I worked for a Harris MPP. While there were some minor cuts to hospital budgets (even though deficits were always covered), money increased OVERALL for health care. There were huge increases, for example, in homecare and long term care -- areas that were in dire need.
There were also increases to education -- there were no cuts -- that is a falsehood. What Torontonians don't like is the fact that they now have to contribute education taxes for the whole province. That is why the Toronto school board had to make cuts. While they had specialized after-school programs and in-school swimming pools,for example, the rest of the province had very little. It's called sharing.
The Walkerton tragedy was because two men lied and cheated. If they had done their jobs, there would not have been a tragedy. Period. The Dudley George event had nothing to do with Harris either other than the fact the Premier of the Province wanted law and order restored -- unlike Caledonia where the gov't and OPP are now afraid to do anything because they criticized Harris so severely.
Harris took on a deficit of $11.9 billion from the NDP and the sorry mess they left behind. And, all those who talked here about the feds are right. Harris got the Ontario share of taxes down from 58% of the federal to 37% by 1999. It is now back up to 55% -- which on a $40,000 a year salary is between $1300 and $2000. However, when the feds increased taxes, including the CPP and EI premiums, we hardly felt the difference. But, the Harris gov't did try.
Regarding the cut to hospitals. They are bottomless pits. It is not gov't (of any stripe) who lays off nurses. It is hospital administrators. Hospitals are under an Act of Parliament that allows them to be independent of gov't unless in default. Which means that when money is allocated to reduce waiting lists, or to hire more nurses, they do what they want with the money -- usually increasing administration salaries, etc. In fairness, it's complicated for all governments.
I was in intensive care six years ago in Niagara Falls. The ICU was already understaffed and yet I heard the staff talking about the fact that some ICU nurses had just been layed off so that three new administrators could be hired to improve the hospital's accounting practices. I kid you not.
Whoever gets elected next Wednesday,needs to do something about that issue -- hospital management.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone.
Why so many deletions? What's up, behind the scenes?
Joanne — Kind of an over-reaction, don't you think? Why didn't you just ask folks to get serious and stop joking around? There wasn't anything offensive in the comments you deleted. Now with the moderation, it seems like you just killed what could have been a lively debate. My two cents.
TangoJuliette sez:
"The Harris Years?" Well, yeah, sure. The harris years were always part of the post Peterseon years, and post Bob Rae years. The Harris Years also happened to be on the "Download" side of the post Trudeau years, all vicous slash and downloaded during the Chretien government with admiral Paul tallying the sums as dithering miser of finance.
The libs are the thieving lads that just about brought this nation , through messing ontario, to its knees.
Walkerton? How about also laying some blame on ALL the governments that permitted drunken and incompetent nepotism to take root and flourish in the area? Along with that, we have the sterling examples of liberal federal adcam, and ont liberal slushscam.
Dudley George? Like there isn't any anti aboriginal racism in ontario? Maybe Harris was part of it. So were the OPP.
Striking teachers? I walked those picket lines -- our main contentions had little to do with well being of the students. It was to make a Conservative government look bad. Actually, not just make the government of the time look bad, but make it look EXTREMELY bad.
We also marched during RaeDay Bob's regime.
Joanne: great writing!! you know what I mean.
Last night, 5 -6 looks like you pulled some strange stuff, judging by the "deletes." You'll have noticed that I am continuing my ongoing program of being a little less inflamatory in my scribblings.
ciao!,
tj
t.e.&o.e.
Why so many deletions? What's up, behind the scenes?
It seems that when the cat's away, the mice will play.
Sheesh. Can't even have a lousy Thanksgiving weekend in peace.
T.J. - Thanks. ;)
it's probably because you are on the kinsella/chin/cherniak radar now
tori said - "it's probably because you are on the Kinsella/chin/cherniak radar now"
Probably not. I have been posting here for at least a year. But, I think that Joanne's normally entertaining blog has become irrationally angry during this campaign. Furthermore, I think that the anger is pointed in the wrong direction - at voters, instead of at the poor Tory campaign. NDP supporters are doing the same thing (blaming voters and the media instead of blaming the party for such a crappy, uninspiring campaign).
In the last 17 years voters have shown they are willing to give (false) majorities to the NDP, Liberals and Tories. The voters haven't become dumber, the campaigns have.
ws:
why do you think joanne is angry and fustrated? because I share the same feelings. I am angry and frustrated that ANYONE would be willing to give this jacka$$ another kick at the ball after all the damage he's done.
I'm angry at the media and the people who, instead of looking at healthcare, taxes, infrastructure, environment, energy, and education, they harp on FB funding- which IMO- has no effect on my life compared to the other topics. Yes, JT was silly to have brought it up, but really. Is this THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE FACING ONTARIANS TODAY???
I would love to ask you how dalton's campaign has "inspired" votes, because I don't see it. I see a man who is only courageous to "mainstreet" with teachers and students, for obvious reasons. He can't run on his record-one of lying, increased taxes with no results.
How do I tell me kids that you can lie, cheat and steal and STILL get voted in as Premier of this province? Yes, people are idiots.
And people are not angry with joanne because she's angry, too. They are angry because she is trying to remind people of all the things that dalton does not want you to remember.
They are angry because she is trying to remind people of all the things that dalton does not want you to remember.
Exactly. Tori, thanks for that.
It's been a clever campaign by Kinsella & Co.
Too bad that politics are all about winning rather than trying to do the right thing.
"I'm angry at the media and the people who, instead of looking at healthcare, taxes, infrastructure, environment, energy, and education, they harp on FB funding- which IMO- has no effect on my life compared to the other topics. Yes, JT was silly to have brought it up, but really. Is this THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE FACING ONTARIANS TODAY???"
Well despite your beliefs that the last four years have been destructive - most Ontarians don't agree and most think that the last four years have been peaceful and calm after 8 years of Harris. I guess you will just have to deal with that, or have a stroke. Out of the Conservatives I know, none of them like Dalton McGuinty (that will never change) but most of them admit that he has done a decent job. Certainly none of them are screaming that the sky is falling. Oh and despite strongly opposing the "health tax" at the time, most admit that they don't notice it and many of them even think that it is necessary and a good thing.
As for FBE not being the most important issue for Ontarians. When people have little to complain about, minor issues gain elevated status.
"I would love to ask you how dalton's campaign has "inspired" votes, because I don't see it."
Dalton didn't need to inspire anyone. Enough Ontarians have felt he has done a good enough job over the last four years that unless someone else can show that they will do things better he will get their votes again. He also didn't need to inspire voters 4 years ago. At that time they were voting out of anger at the Harris years, similarly Chretien didn't need to inspire voters in 93.
"How do I tell me kids that you can lie, cheat and steal and STILL get voted in as Premier of this province?"
If you are raising your children by using politics as an example of moral behavior then I feel sorry for them. If you are telling them that certain parties (like the Conservatives for instance) are honest then you are lying to them.
"They are angry because she is trying to remind people of all the things that dalton does not want you to remember."
A general rule of thumb. If people need to be reminded of why they are supposed to be angry, then they are not angry. If something had so little impact that they forgot about it, but are then told they should be angry about it by a blog and therefore become angry, then they are the lemmings that Joanne so frequently references.
W.S. - I think the issue with McGuinty is weak leadership.
And if everyone is going to keep bringing up the Harris years, as a reason not to vote Conservative, then by the same logic we must never vote Liberal again federally because of Adscam.
It's history, folks. The Liberals are in incumbent party in Ontario, and that's all that is relevant.
A lot of generalisations from WS re: most Ontario 'voters'.
I would like to hear something substantial that came out of the McGuinty years. Are those 'voters' you refer to all those cute school kids in his ever so favourite photo ops?If I see one more I'll vomit.
Ahhh but doesn't he look like like a teacher...
Bingo! It's been quiet these years because he didn't rock the boat with the teachers union. It's all about education, and NOTHING else matters, not Caledonia, not higher taxes,and certainly not health care.
WS,did you mean to say that the unions are pleased with the last 4 years?
Because the majority of 'voters' give me blank stares when I try to discuss the political scene. They drank the Kool aid.
BTW jeff @ 11:04 Oct. 16:
Most so-called victims of the Harris years found jobs. And those other poor so-called victims that were let go from pushing pencils in the Ministries...they also have real jobs in the private sector.
That's why we called it Common Sense.
It's been quiet these years because he didn't rock the boat with the teachers union.
He did nothing to rock the boat, because he gave in to their every demand.
See Sandy.
"A lot of generalisations from WS re: most Ontario 'voters'."
Um, look at the polls.
"Well despite your beliefs that the last four years have been destructive - most Ontarians don't agree and most think that the last four years have been peaceful and calm after 8 years of Harris. I guess you will just have to deal with that, or have a stroke. Out of the Conservatives I know, none of them like Dalton McGuinty (that will never change) but most of them admit that he has done a decent job. Certainly none of them are screaming that the sky is falling. Oh and despite strongly opposing the "health tax" at the time, most admit that they don't notice it and many of them even think that it is necessary and a good thing."
So in other words, paying more for healthcare and getting less in return with de-listing, and on top of that still have no appreciable improvment on waittimes is considered a "decent job"? God, next you will say that it doesnt matter that mcguinty lied- all politicians do it. Nothing like demanding better from your elected officials. But this is ontario, where we INSIST on paying more and getting less.
I actually DO notice the healthcare tax, and the fact that it was not used for imroving health care. When you have to wait 7 months for an MRI, and the only thing helping you walk again is physio and chiropractic which are now delisted, I notice that healthcare premium (read money to buy off liberal friendly friends) very well.
And by "most ontarians", I guess you mean the unions, as it seems they wield all the political power, as evidence by bell/globemedia.
I do not raise my kids using mcguinty as a role model. I use myself. I do not lie, cheat or steal, and I don't want my kids to. But when they see in society absolutely no consequence for when people lie, cheat or steal, or no consequences when people work outside of the law, the message and the lesson is a bit harder to put across.
"As for FBE not being the most important issue for Ontarians. When people have little to complain about, minor issues gain elevated status."
little to complain about? surely you jest. Ontario is so perfect that all we have to complain about is FB funding? Sure, who cares that parents have to provide their kids their own kleenex boxes for school, that people still don't have doctors, that people are dying on cancer waiting lists, that our energy sector is at the brink, that our manufacturing sector is dying, that people are losing jobs, and that many are moving out of ontario because we are taxed to the hilt with nothing to show for it. Yup, perfection!
"A general rule of thumb. If people need to be reminded of why they are supposed to be angry, then they are not angry"
No, it's called playing the political game. Dalton was always going to raise taxes. He wanted to do it right from the get go because he knows people-for the most part- live for the 90 sec soundbyte, which replaces the previous 90 sec soundbyte. Why do you think he wanted school board budgets released in June rather than august as usual this year? Because he knew EAs were going to be dropped and that people would remember because it would be too close to the election. Why do you think he keeps harping on FB funding? Because it is safe. It's not a policy he has lied about- and forget that his criticism of it makes him sound more conservative than liberal- whatever it takes to win, I guess.
I honestly expect to say I told you so within the first year of his mandate as he puts out an education premium or an environment premium- because he's going to have to pay off the unions next year as many of their contracts are due. Plus pay off the people whose support he will need in the next election.
But who am I to argue with liberal supporters? Maybe I should just go with the flow and find some sort of comfort in getting screwed up the ass with increased taxes and nothng to show for it. It seems many in Ontario don't have a problem with that. Maybe it is just a acquired taste.
"But who am I to argue with liberal supporters?"
You really are quite daft. Anyone who disagrees with your childish "sky is falling," Apocalyptic view is a liberal supporter. Sorry, I am not. I have never once voted for the Liberals.
You might think that McGuinty is the worst premier ever, but the vast majority of Ontarians don't. So when you throw your little temper tantrums you look like a 2 year old who didn't get everything she wanted.
The NDP has played the "all the other parties are evil scum suckers and everyone would vote for us if only the entire media wasn't against us" card for years and look where it gets them - no where. They look like idiots to most people. Same goes for when Conservatives try it.
"Oh and despite strongly opposing the "health tax" at the time, most admit that they don't notice it and many of them even think that it is necessary and a good thing."
Please provide some links with that statement w.s. to back it up.
People do notice it because it is done seperately on your Ontario tax portion of your return. As someone who works during tax filing time for extra cash I can guarantee you with first hand experience people DO NOTICE IT because I hear the complaints about it.
I have never once voted for the Liberals.
So who did you vote for?
So who did you vote for?
Not Liberal, not Con, not NDP, from what he says. Must be the Family Christian Party.
"So who did you vote for?"
Green as always. A fiscally conservative party which is not full of socially conservative nutters.
"Please provide some links with that statement w.s. to back it up."
Perhaps you missed that I was talking about Conservatives I know in that paragraph. Conversations with people I know rarely come with links.
Green as always. A fiscally conservative party which is not full of socially conservative nutters.
So, what about all those extra holidays, eh? Isn't that the most fiscally responsible policy you've ever heard of????
"Oh and despite strongly opposing the "health tax" at the time, most admit that they don't notice it and many of them even think that it is necessary and a good thing."
Riiiiiight! We went from most to Conservative's I've talked to. Your statement is and was complete B.S. Of course there are some who don't notice it. That would be the members of the public service unions who took McGuinty to court and now have the government paying it for them.
So let's see. The taxpayer's of Ontario pay now pay for a "health tax" for union members because McGuinty named it that to cover his ass in the public eye. Brilliant.
OK Wayward,tell you what. I'm willing to switch my vote to Liberal if you can give me a REASONABLE explanation how the Ontario Cricket Club got $1 million when they requested $250,000. I asked the Liberal candidate when he knocked on my door. After about a minute of the deer in the headlight look he turned and walked away without another word.
After about a minute of the deer in the headlight look he turned and walked away without another word.
Next time have your camera ready!
"So, what about all those extra holidays, eh? Isn't that the most fiscally responsible policy you've ever heard of????"
The Green Party has their share of goofy policies. Whether or not that is one of them I don't know. I haven't studied the pros and cons of the idea, because 1) I don't think it would go anywhere and 2) I have never taken a holiday/stat day/sick day (well 1 sick day) in my career. I actually really like to go to work and I work every holiday. I also go to University full-time. So, I don't really understand what people do with the time off they have now (apparently they have a life - whatever that is). But I guess the idea is that it will make people more productive - beats me. I would probably just stare out the window aimlessly, or waste time on the internet.
"Of course there are some who don't notice it. That would be the members of the public service unions"
No it wouldn't be. Lots of people didn't notice that they were short what amounted to about $10 week. And as most Conservatives I know have a tendency to be cynical many of them don't really believe that Tory would actually cut the "health tax" anyways.
"OK Wayward,"
Ok Paul
"tell you what. I'm willing to switch my vote to Liberal"
When have I asked anyone to switch their votes to the Liberals?? I haven't. Like I said I vote Green and apparently I do such a good job of pushing their agenda that no one here knew I vote Green. If you believe that PCs are the best choice for you then vote PC. My only issue with the posts here have been people saying that everyone else is stupid or lemmings because they don't have the same "sky is falling" hysteria that they do. Do I think that the 97% of voters that don't vote Green are idiots, or controlled by the media, or lemmings because they don't see things the way I do? No.
Incidently from the National Post today:
Ontario political parties official election platform spending
NDP — $16.8-billion
Liberal — $14. 7-billion
Conservative — $14.1-billion
Green — $11.7-billion
(I don't think that you call that fiscal irresponsibility on the part of the Greens)
http://communities.canada.com/nationalpost/blogs/ontarioelection/archive/2007/10/08/mcguinty-would-raise-taxes.aspx
It cost the Libs that much to keep Dalton in his bubble?
Wow! Sounds like some easy money for PR staff.
(I don't think that you call that fiscal irresponsibility on the part of the Greens)
I think I hit a nerve...
Who audits these numbers, anyway?
"Who audits these numbers, anyway?"
No idea provincially. But, it is certainly a bone of contention with NDP supporters that federally Elizabeth May has said she will use the C.D. Howe and Frazer.
You didn't hit a nerve. I just saw those numbers and thought they were interesting. Most greens in Canada are tightwads and are allergic to budget deficits.
Wow...Tori would you like some cheese with your whine?
How do I tell me kids that you can lie, cheat and steal and STILL get voted in as Premier of this province? Yes, people are idiots.
What an odd comment. Of course, when people vote for any other party besides your's, they are idiots because they don't share your view.
Blame the voters and not the party. Blame the voters and not the leader. Blame the voters as opposed to examining yourself.
I'll put this question to you Tori: What have you actually done to sell your party to the people of Ontario besides commenting on blogs?
My guess would be very little. Have you gone out canvassing? Phone canvassing at least? Put up a lawn sign? Anything?
Don't blame the voters. Put the blame where it belongs. With your party....
A party that has done nothing but bad-mouth the opposition, very rarely talking about what they actually want to do. A party that presented a policy outline that, with the exception of the faith-based funding issue, practically mirrored the Liberal platform. Blame a party that is supposed to be fiscally conservative but costed their platform at over $14 billion. Blame a leader that attached himself to a horrible policy then quickly reversed himself when he found out that it wasn't palatable to the voters of this province. Blame EDAs across the province that simply threw in the towel three days ago. Blame volunteers who inexplicably had a "death in the family" when they were asked by volunteer coordinators to help canvass.
Blame the Liberals for having a better war room. Blame the Liberals for having a better organization. Blame the Liberals for having a better communications strategy.
But do not, ever, blame the people of this province. It's childish.
Imagine the Liberals after the 2006 election saying: "Damn Canadians..how dare they not be attracted to our piss-poor campaign, our weak policy platform, our scandal ridden past, our horrid communications strategy, our terrible TV, print and radio ads, and our stumbling leader". You'd take them to task very quickly to trying to apply that logic.
Grow up!
Tori, if I were you, I'd ignore advice from 'anonymous' trolls.
Somehow they lack credibility.
joanne,
totally fine.
anon obviously knows very little about me, but presumes to know everything. Very liberal. No surprise.
Personally, I can't wait when anon has to face a health crisis (if he/she is even from ontario), because he/she will get screwed royally.
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