Wednesday, October 10, 2007

Getting billed for our 'free', sacred public health care

Check this one out from the Post.

Slippery slope?

Nah. As you were, fellow Lemmings.

23 comments:

Torian said...

I love our "free" healthcare!

Red Tory said...

What’s your point? Aren’t you delighted by this demonstration of the irrepressible entrepreneurial spirit of our medical professionals? Thankfully, according to Kathy Shaidle there are no poor people in Canada, so it's not like anyone will have a problem paying these fees. Besides, they can always get private health insurance to cover them. It's a great day for those opposed to "socialized medicine"! Long live the free market!

Joanne (True Blue) said...

Red, I haven't been following the Shaidle situation. I was referring to Dalton's continual excoriation of John Tory's suggestion that maybe we could allow Ontarioans to use private health care and have it paid with their health card to assist in reducing wait times.

But the 'slippery slope' argument was pulled out by Dalton & company and the Lemmings probably bought it hook, line & sinker.

Torian said...

I think the point is that we already have two tiered healthcare and that mcguinty is being disingenuous when he says he's fighting for its universality.

Red Tory said...

I’m not familiar with the details of what Tory was proposing, but the danger of making somewhat flippant, poorly thought out suggestions that don’t take into consideration all the possible ramifications and unintended consequences (which I’m guessing this might have been on the part of Tory, given he seems prone to such things) is that it plays into the hands of those who would dismiss the suggestion in question for ideological reasons or whatever by allowing them to darkly allude to all of the “slippery slope” implications involved. That may seem like an unfair reaction, but it’s not really. Actually, it’s quite understandable and people can’t exactly be blamed for thinking there might be a significant and potentially harmful downside that they’re not being made aware of.

Anonymous said...

My wife is a physician...
It got to the point that people at social gatherings were seeking her out for aches and ails. She now politely asks them to book an appointment with their family physician...

Torian said...

it's only going to get worse before it gets better. My dr is relatively young, so I am lucky. But many are boomer age and thinking about retirement.

Then we have our aging cohort just draining the system (not their fault, unless they are seeking out health harming behaviour).

There is no way the system will be able to withstand this type of stress.

Torian said...

leslie roberts (cfrb)is talking about glaring problems with voting at the ridings today

bill carroll was discussing electoral fraud (voting when you can't, multiple times, etc) this AM.

Joanne (True Blue) said...

I think the point is that we already have two tiered healthcare and that mcguinty is being disingenuous when he says he's fighting for its universality.

Exactly. Thank you.

And Jack Layton himself has taken advantage of the Shouldice clinic in Toronto, which is private.

leslie roberts (cfrb)is talking about glaring problems with voting at the ridings toda.

Torian, what were they saying? I voted ahead, expecting a mess with the new system.

Jeff Davidson said...

uh huh torian.... big time voter fraud likely commited by the liberal party if not mcgunity himself...carefully plotted by teachers, abortionists and all the other evil lemmings.

hey joanne, this lemming wants to know what makes you so bloody clever?

if i'm a lemming, what does that make you?

Joanne (True Blue) said...

if i'm a lemming, what does that make you?

An ex-lemming. I grew up.

liberal supporter said...

An ex-lemming. I grew up.
I see the talking point server is back online!

Excerpt from a recent post at RT's:

Giovanni Gallucci ... concludes: “I used to be a liberal also, until my mother made me move out of the basement and get a job.

Why is it, that losing one's heart is considered "growing up"?

Joanne (True Blue) said...

Why is it, that losing one's heart is considered "growing up"?

One does not preclude the other.

In any case, I fail to see what this has to do with the post subject.

Ti-Guy said...

Maybe that crack addict, Tango Juliet, will come by and explain it.

tori said...

well, jeff, you should have listened to bill's show. It was quite eye-opening as I never had a clue.

senior homes tend to be hit pretty hard. 1 man called in and said the last election he was able to vote 3 times. it pretty easy as you don't have to show photo id to go and vote.

carry on. nothing to see here. as you were.

jo- many polls had no ballots, no lists...apparently the CEO was making a conference call at 11am to try to fix the problems all over ontario.

kinds sucks, especially since the election date was kind of known a bit in advance, no? did it just suddenly occur to people that today was election day and that they better get ready?

tori said...

and now chrysler workers are walking off the lines....

liberal supporter said...

carry on. nothing to see here. as you were.
I see we have a new entry for the "CPC passive aggressive comments handbook".


I had no problems at the poll this morning. It's at a school so parking will be a problem until 5. Maybe seeing all the fancy cars there will make people vote differently? Oops, those are the John Tory fleet...

tori said...

forgive me LS

i report what people are saying and emailing re: their attempts to vote and you guys tell me I'm wrong.

If I tell you the sky is grey right now, will you say it is blue?

I tell you guys I had to wait 7 months for an MRI just last year and you tell me that waittimes are down.

stage 4 cancer pt tells dalton he's not helping and dalton tells him "that's not true"

I'm just wondering...at what point does the left actually LISTEN? Or are you just convinced that we make stuff up?

liberal supporter said...

i report what people are saying and emailing re: their attempts to vote and you guys tell me I'm wrong.

No, I provided my own story. It does not negate yours, unless your story is that there are problems "everywhere".


I'm just wondering...at what point does the left actually LISTEN? Or are you just convinced that we make stuff up?

"The left" actually listens to people who do not use "the left" as an insult.

"The left" actually listens to people who do not treat all criticism or alternative viewpoints as "If I tell you the sky is grey right now, will you say it is blue?".

"The left" actually listens to people who refrain from passive aggressive attacks such as sarcastically saying "forgive me LS".

tori said...

ls,

i would probably not take issue if you had not said "I see we have a new entry for the "CPC passive aggressive comments handbook"." and instead just " provided (your) own story"

and it was not you, but jeff who decided to take issue with me personally after i just reported what was being said on a freaking radio talk show.

tori said...

you should also note that it was jeff who read this:

"leslie roberts (cfrb)is talking about glaring problems with voting at the ridings today

bill carroll was discussing electoral fraud (voting when you can't, multiple times, etc) this AM."

And got this:

"uh huh torian.... big time voter fraud likely commited by the liberal party if not mcgunity himself...carefully plotted by teachers, abortionists and all the other evil lemmings"

So yes, I got pissy because It didn't even occur to me to even think along party lines or accuse that one party over another was doing this.

liberal supporter said...

So yes, I got pissy because It didn't even occur to me to even think along party lines or accuse that one party over another was doing this.

Fair enough. I would get pissy too, more often than not.

Ti-Guy said...

Or are you just convinced that we make stuff up?

Pretty much. Since you're all so silent with regard to your own liars and smear-mongers, Conservatives just aren't credible anymore. You could tell me the sky is blue and I'd ask to see the evidence to back that up.

I think it's just one accusation of "Taliban hugging" too far.

Should have thought twice about declaring your fellow citizens the enemy. Really wasn't a good strategy.