Friday, October 13, 2006

Actions speak louder

So it seems that Liberals are screaming foul over PMSH's comments that most of the Liberal leadership candidates are anti-Israel, based largely on attitudes demonstrated during the summer's Middle East crisis.

The exact quote (courtesy of CTV) in the context of reaction to a remark by Michael Ignatieff:

When asked about the term "war crime" to describe Israel's action against Hezbollah in Lebanon, Harper told reporters at a press conference on Thursday that he found the usage inappropriate, saying "I don't support that view."

"This is consistent with the anti-Israeli position that has been taken with virtually all of the candidates of the Liberal leadership, and I don't think it's helpful or useful."



Of course the outrage spewed from all Gritty corners. (Well at least there's one thing they can all agree on!)

This whole situation reminds me of Catholic MP's whose voting records often seem to be in conflict with Church teachings and dogma.

Start walking the talk, guys. Then maybe your protests will be more credible.

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Bob Rae seems especially apoplectic about the Prime Minister's observations.

Is it just because his wife and children are Jewish, or could it perhaps be another desperate attempt to garner sympathy and erase horrible memories of his disgraceful stint as premier from the minds of Ontario voters?


More at D&D - Liberals: Some of our best friends are Jews.

Steve Janke - Cotler's wife dumps the Liberal Party right in the National Post!!!

Saturday Update: Bob Rae - More Jewish than the Jews. Very thought-provoking post at C.L.

56 comments:

vicki said...

I read the quote of Rae calling our PM's comments 'shameful'...this from the guy who put on his own shameless act with Rick Mercer?...

Red Tory said...

Brilliant logic of at D&D: “But now that everyone is scrambling to deny it, we know now that it's true.” So, if I say you and your “conservative” friends are fag-hating bigots and racists and you all deny it, well then I’ll know that you are in fact fag-hating bigots and racists, right? Is that the way it works? Wow. Gotta love that.

Look, Harper’s statement was divisive and reprehensible and just meant to stir up trouble in my opinion. What his exact intention was is a matter of speculation, but it was a pretty baseless acusation unless you can back this up with some facts. Now there would be a concept, huh?

Red Tory said...

Vicki -- So Bob went skinny-dipping with Rick Mercer. So what? Good for him!

Joanne (True Blue) said...

So, if I say you and your “conservative” friends are fag-hating bigots and racists and you all deny it, well then I’ll know that you are in fact fag-hating bigots and racists, right? Is that the way it works? Wow. Gotta love that.

Red, why don't you leave that comment at D&D's?

Alberta Girl said...

Hey Red - they difference is that all of these liberals that are now sputtering with righteous indignation actually said things to inimate that they were anti-isreali - including the illustrious Mr. Rae!

Me thinks they doth protest too much.

Red Tory said...

I like you more Joanne. :-)

Plus you linked to him/her so it didn't seem to make a lot of difference.

vicki said...

rt...we won't waste time talking morals here if you don't understand the meaning of the word shame...it's all relative,eh?

Red Tory said...

Alberta Girl -- Well, I'd like some proof of these intimations of anti-Israel sentiment that you claim exist rather than simply rely on fabrications of your memory.

Red Tory said...

Vicki -- I don't think there's anything shameful about dropping your pants and going skinny-dipping. You should try it sometime. It's fun. And there's nothing to be ashamed of.

Joanne (True Blue) said...

I like you more Joanne. :-)

Awww, gee whiz. *blush*

[Aside to everyone else - With friends like that...]

Back to RT:

The "methinks they do protest too much" comment came to mind right away for me too. However it was D&D's observation about the growing Muslim population in Canada that I found intriguing. I think Liberal sentiments will be cast accordingly.

vicki said...

rt...you assume I haven't? Some things are for privacy...
That's where morals and shame (or lack thereof) make the difference...

C. LaRoche said...

I'm just waiting for someone to do a Liberal mock-up of Mel Gibson's recent T.V. interview...

Alberta Girl said...

OK Red Tory - I have done some searching and will admit that Bob Rae never actually made direct anti Isreal statement, however, in his zeal to play politics he slammed Steven Harper for defending Isreal's right to defend itself and self righteously declared Harper's cautious agreement with Isreal's right to defend itself as somehow wrong - yet he was doing the exact same thing. He is flip flopping as the spirit moves him trying to be all things to all people - yep - he is a true liberal. From what I have read, he and Steven Harper feel the same way about the middle east, so why in the world does he not agree with him - oh, right - he wants to win the leadership so he has to appear all huffy and puffy and try to play the right against the left.

Steven Harper was asked a question by the media - by the biased media - a question they knew would provoke controversy and he answered directly and honestly (something, by the way, both the MSM and Canadians are not used to seeing from our politicians), something that the MSM decided to play up because they know that they sure can't go after the government on all the announcements they are making.

Bob Rae takes the cake with his sputtering and indignation over an honest answer because to me, all the liberal candidates, including Bob Rae were mocking SH defense of Isreal when the conflict first broke out. Yet = from my reading - he feels exactly the same way.

So Red Tory - what gives - is it just politics??

counter-coulter said...

Red Tory said...
Brilliant logic of at D&D: “But now that everyone is scrambling to deny it, we know now that it's true.”


RT - Its the oldest trick in the book. Accuse your opponent of the most heinous thing you can think of and then play both sides of the fence:

If they say something: "We must have hit close to home for him to be so angry"

If they say nothing: "If it weren't true then he surely would have said something by now"

They took a page straight from the Rove playbook.

counter-coulter said...

Alberta Girl said...
Steven Harper was asked a question by the media - by the biased media - a question they knew would provoke controversy and he answered directly and honestly


Well let's evaluate that a little. Taking directly from Joanne's post, heres the question:

When asked about the term "war crime" to describe Israel's action against Hezbollah in Lebanon,

Pretty straight forward question, does Harper believe the term 'warcrime' accurately describes Israels action against Hezbollah? And here's Harper's answer to that question:

Harper told reporters at a press conference on Thursday that he found the usage inappropriate, saying "I don't support that view."

Now he could have stopped there and would have answered the question fully, but instead he chose to take is as an opportunity to paint all Liberal leadership as anti-semitic:

"This is consistent with the anti-Israeli position that has been taken with virtually all of the candidates of the Liberal leadership, and I don't think it's helpful or useful."

Hardly the "direct and honest" answer that you claim it was.

wilson61 said...

Libs used the 'Cons are anti-gay, anti-womens rights, anti-whatever the lie of the day was'
now Libs are getting some of their own medicine.....gotta love it!

Forcing Libs to come 'out' as even semi-proIsreal will weaken the Muslim vote. mission accomplished.

wilson61 said...

If Rae wins, expect "The Emperor Has No Clothes" ads.
p l e a s e vote Bob Rae!!!

Joanne (True Blue) said...

Wilson, that last one is hilarious! You should post that at C.G.

TangoJuliette said...

Whoa, there muttha!

1.) PMSH, in replying to a reporter's question about Iggie's "I'm an international human rights specialist and this Israel bombing of Qana ( as in the wedding at Canaan) is a 'war crime' " comment, merely stated that this attitude reflects the notion that 'most' Lib leadership candidates are 'anti-isreal.'

2.) The Cdn. Jewish Congress has called for an Iggy retraction, and for Lib Contenders to 'distance' themselves from Ig's comment.

2 (a). No Lib nor MSM flack on Liberal inaction on this count.

3.) I don't recall Bobbie Rae springing to the defense of his Jewish wife/daughter, at Iggie's 'anti-israel' comment.

3 (a) Hows cum, not so much, Bob? Is the family merely Jewish, but not Israel-oriented, and that the 'war crime' calumny of the Count doesn't resonate with you? Talk to the Jewish Leadership of various Canadian Jewish organizations.

4.) This is the Party that gave the world a WWII Prime Minister whose response to a shipload of Jewish refugees fleeing the Nazis, asking Canada for asylum for Jews, declared:

"A shipload of Jews for Canada? One Jew is one too many."

5.) PMSH has not drawn parallels between "war Crimes" and "anti-Israel" sentiment, being anti semitic. Now that's a cheap, dirty, dishonest and scurrilous shot. The Liberals certainly seem to know how to twist things around.

The anti-Harper tunes would have gone down more smoothly if this same chorus of pseudo harridans had actually unloaded on Ignatieff first. Their latter day mewlings are all such trite drivel now. And Bob Rae's innability to rant without that cheesy little smirk, indicating that even HE felt that he was spewing tripe? WOW!!


Yup, their Liberal tent is big and it's inclusive, like a Barnum & Bailey Circus, with all the nut jobs trying to do anything they think they could get away with juwt so they can wrest control away from the Conservatives.

The Lib 'ideologues' are showing their true colours when they attack the Prime Minister of the Country, yet give their High IQ boy the easy pass.

Woe Canada, if these Lib newby converts ever get their hands on the levers of power, ever again.

alberta girl said...

counter coulter - please - how was that not honest and direct. Stephen Harper has proven again and again that he doesn't answer questions with regards to how it will play out in the media, he doesn't pussy foot around saying lots but saying nothing. The media doesn't know how to handle it.

Besides - this righteous indignation on the part of Jane Taber and her cronies in the media and those in the liberal party is simply a distraction to avoid the fact that once again, Stephen Harper is making an announcement that a. fufills an election promise and b. does something that the former government talked about but - as usual - never implemented.

Cherniak_WTF said...

wilson61
re: Cons
It's not a lie if it's the truth.
Time and time again many Cons (notice I did not say all) will have "white-bread" views - there is very little tolerance for what is not like them.

The onus is on Harper to show that the Liberal contenders are "anti-Isreal". I think that you'd prefer to shout little "buzz words" over trying to demonstrate any point.

Alberta Girl said...

Cherniak - notice the SH also did not tar all candidates with his statement - he used the words "virtually all" , but of course, this was lost in the rush to angrily deny their feelings.

And speaking of "buzz words" - well the left and their "non-biased" (hahahahaha) MSM cronies are very good at pulling out the buzz words - to refresh your memory - here are a few

George Bush puppet
anti-muslim
the NDP's "hot air act"
far right wing neocon
racists
mean spirited

just a few - so before you get so high and mighty just take a look in the mirror or take a highlighter and go through a newspaper and highlight all the negative "buzz words" that the MSM uses when writing about the conservatives. Then do the same for all the negative "buzz words" they use to describe the liberals and NDP. Or watch Jane Taber as she hosts for Mike Duffy - now there is the queen of all buzz words.

Me thinks you will have your eyes opened.

vicki said...

Why is the onus on Harper? Iggy flip-flops, Libs are on record for being anti-Israeli and pro Hez.I'd say the onus is on the Libs ...they are hiding in their politically correct corners.
If any Lib supporters are trying to decide who they want as 'leader' it's time to ask themselves "What IS Iggy's foreign policy anyway?' Does he even know?

x2para said...

Bob Rae skinny dipping, now that IS a war crime.
Seems its OK for liberal/dippers to name call or accuse conservatives of anything they want but then they pop a vein and have a shitfit when they get the same. In any case being called a fag hating bigot, intolerant or racist by so called "progressives" is like being called a witch in the middle ages, totally meaningless, unless they try to burn you at the stake.

Ben said...

Red Tory - if you accuse me of being a "fag-hating bigot" (which perhaps I am in your eyes, I don't support SSM), and during my denial I sputter in rage as Bob Rae has done, then you probably can assume you are right. D&D rightly notes the self-righteous scurrying that has occurred as a result of this remark. It sure looks like Harper hit a sore spot with the Libs.

And counter-coulter is too funny! "Accuse your opponent of the most heinous thing in the book". I really didn't know that "anti-Israeli bias" was the most heinous thing one could be accused of. I would have thought "Nazi" or "baby-killer" to be a little more heinous. I actually thought Harper's remark was a pretty mild and accurate description of the Liberal mindset of late. Who knew it was actually an accusation of heinous proportions?

counter-coulter said...

vicki said...
Why is the onus on Harper? Iggy flip-flops, Libs are on record for being anti-Israeli and pro Hez.


What utter nonsense. Please to be providing this "record" of Libs that are pro-Hez. Or is it your contention (which seems to be the conservative equivocation) that anyone who criticizes Israeli action is automatically pro-Hez by default?

counter-coulter said...

Ben said...
And counter-coulter is too funny! ...I really didn't know that "anti-Israeli bias" was the most heinous thing one could be accused of.


I know you'd like to consider it some sort of joke, but I would say that being called "anti-Israeli" (since that's what Harper actually said) would be considered pretty heinous. Just as the JDL how heinous they think the accusation is. Not to mention the fact that the accusation itself is completely baseless and without merit.

PGP said...

Going back to Ignatief's comments....I think the venue was an interesting factor.
Was Ignatief pandering to the sentiments of the Quebec Lefties?
Was he hopeing to curry favour within the overtly anti-semetic communities in the Belle Province?

Seems to me that is exactly what he was doing and probably thinking that no-one in anglo Canada would notice!

Just another Liberal scumbag who will say anything to get a few votes.

As for Harper's assertions of anti-Israel sentiment in the Liberal leadership..since last Augusts Lebanon events there have been many on the left offering words of encouragement and support for the TERRORIST organization Hezbollah!
I have heard or seen NOT ONE Liberal speak out against this!
That's as good as taking an anti-Israel position as is saying it outright.

Only ones taking a stand on this issue are taking the position that Israel is our ally and the victim of attacks be various Arab groups.
Everyone else is waffling at best and thats just spineless BS.

So I say thank you to PM Stephen Harper for taking a stand and for speaking clearly on behalf of Canadians.

Joanne (True Blue) said...

PGP - Yes, that struck me too. I don't have any figures handy, but I would suspect that Muslims make up a large part of the immigrant population in Quebec.

Red Tory said...

Oh man, some of you folks are too precious for words. Blaming the media (yawn), finely parsing Harper’s words (“He didn’t say all, he said virtually all.” Ha. I had a good laugh over that one.) and simply peddling more lies and fabrications as Alberta Girl did to support her baseless accusations. Show me some proof. Provide links to where Liberals have made “pro-Hez” statements or “denied Israel’s right to defend itself.” Show me the money!

PGP said...

Sympathetic remarks from liberals are well documented in the news coverage over the weeks of engagement and continuing on....I don't feel like going over all of that for YOUR edification.
If you think I'm wrong fine....if you want to actually learn something do your own research!

Joanne (True Blue) said...

if you want to actually learn something do your own research!

Man, I wish I had said that!

counter-coulter said...

PGP said...
If you think I'm wrong fine....if you want to actually learn something do your own research!


Ah yes, the old "disprove it" method. But you see, debate doesn't work this way. The burden of proof falls on the accuser not the accused. I do find it amusing though when those that make the accusation attempt to shrug their responsibility by attempting to make others prove a negative.

Sympathetic remarks from liberals are well documented in the news coverage over the weeks of engagement...

If it is so well documented then it shouldn't be a problem for you all of those "pro Hez" statements, no?

counter-coulter said...

B/C: for you all = for you to find all

TangoJuliette said...
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TangoJuliette said...

"...I was a Liberal … until yesterday Published: Friday, October 13, 2006: Re: Israeli Envoy, Rae Attack Ignatieff’s Remarks, Oct. 12. "


BOB RAE MEET MME ARIELA COTLER OF MONTREAL.

D'ya think this woman just might be the wife of our Liberal MP Irwin Cotler?? Think she might things a little differently, like no brain cramp from skinny-dipping in a northern ontario lake with Dickie Mercer?



"...I have been an active, involved and contributing member of the Liberal party until yesterday, when I decided to give up my membership because of the statements from Michael Ignatieff, given in French to a Quebec radio station.

I was hoping that with his background as a professor of human rights, Mr. Ignatieff would be able to make the distinction between the attackers and the attacked. I would remind Mr. Ignatieff that it was a Liberal government that placed Hezbollah on the international terrorist organizations list.

I feel it was not political savvy and wisdom that Mr. Ignatieff lacked in his address in Quebec. Rather, it was a lack of moral integrity, sacrificing the truth for personal political gains in the upcoming leadership election for the party.

I, and many of my friends, will no longer be there for that event.

Ariela Cotler, Montreal. "

Start up the braying MSM hounds and spinners. . .

Joanne (True Blue) said...

Tango - Yes, that is Irwin's wife

Interesting development, to say the least!

PGP said...

Re, the burden of proof.

I have no intention of spending time looking for examples that I know are abundant.

If you CC think this means that you have in some way WON something ...well you just go right ahead and feel real good about it.
My opinion stands. Harper was stating the obvious.

Further: Today Ignatief is quoted as saying "It's up to International Bodies to determine what is a crime."

Gee Iggy! Yesterday it was up to "I'm an Expert" Ignatief! What changed? You shure you were not just hoping to get some sympathy from the ant-semite segment of Quebec?

Looks to me like that's exactly the case.

Red Tory said...

Sweater Guy -- You know they’re abundant but can’t bother your snowy head with citing any of them and then you go on to claim that Harper is “stating the obvious.” Man, that is pretty rich.

Ignatieff has stated before that he’s not a jurist and wasn’t expressing a legal opinion but a description of what occurred that was a “war crime” as would most people when dozens of innocent civilians are killed through an admitted error by the IDF. I happen to think he’s right on the technical legal side too, but that is, as he said, up to others to determine.

Mac said...

Anyone read about how the supposed incident at Qana was yet another production of Palli-wood... "Green Helmet Guy" work?

Where was Bob Rae's outrage when Liberal MP Denis Coderre marched at the head of a pro-Hezbollah rally in Montreal along with Bloc leader Gilles Duceppe and PQ leader Andre Boisclair on August 6 2006?

Brian said...

Funny, it reminded me of his stint as Premier. I had forgotten how thin skinned the whole lot of them where:
http://hespeler.blogspot.com/2006/10/bob-rae-is-offended-again.html

counter-coulter said...

Mac said...
Where was Bob Rae's outrage when Liberal MP Denis Coderre marched at the head of a pro-Hezbollah rally in Montreal along with Bloc leader Gilles Duceppe and PQ leader Andre Boisclair on August 6 2006?


This seems to be a rather popular smear that the conservatives keep peddling.

PGP said...

So I'm lazy......

Mac said...

CC, thanks for the links to impassioned denials by libloggers. The next time you post something I disagree with, I'll link a couple of tory blogs and I'm sure you'll accept that as proof positive of the fallacy of your arguments, right?

Red Tory said...

And proof... remarkably absent.

Come on folks! It's abundant, it’s obvious, it’s everywhere to be found... at least according to your contentions. But strangely, no one can seem to find any of it. Dare I suggest you’re full of shite?

Cherniak_WTF said...

Was he hopeingto curry favour within the overtly anti-semetic communities in the Belle Province?

Seems to me that is exactly what he was doing and probably thinking that no-one in anglo Canada would notice!


Quelle arrogance d’un petit crétin! Si vous voulez parler de quelqu’un qui massage son discourt, regardez Harper, qui encule tous les Canadiens et change sont discourt dépendant de son auditoire.
Votre ignorance ne me surprend peut – car vous avez démontre une débilité mentale surprenante depuis que me lis certain de vos écrits.

Cherniak_WTF said...

Only ones taking a stand on this issue are taking the position that Israel is our ally and the victim of attacks be various Arab groups.
Black/white little world...
But don't worry Big Daddy Harper will take care of you...

Jason Bo Green said...

I'm never going to look at you the same way again for calling Rae "disgraceful" for something so harmless.

You're not a conservative, you're a prude. Get a life.

Red Tory said...

CWTF -- Fortement amusant.

And look... still no proof!

Joanne (True Blue) said...

Jason - The "disgraceful stint" referred to the Rae Years in Ontario. I linked to CG at that point because his theory is that the bare-butt dip may have been a diversion. I'm sure it was meant to be tongue in cheek (yuck!).

On the other hand, if I had called that disgraceful, it would be o.k. for you to label me a "prude", and tell me "to get a life"? Interesting.

And somewhat judgemental.

Joanne (True Blue) said...

Red, why don't you head over to Zac's, where we're having a similar discussion.

Joanne (True Blue) said...

And another one bites the dust.

They're dropping like flies.

Swift said...

Does anybody remember how many Liberal leadership candidates supported Harper's stand on Palestine when Hamas won theelection? Has anybody kept track of how many actions by Hamas fitt the definitios of war crimes? I think the answers to these questions will settle the question of Liberal leadership candidate bias.

Cherniak_WTF said...

They're dropping like flies.
Notice that the ones dropping are so pro-Israel that no matter what that country does they would support them blindly.
I wonder if Michelle, Jason C really care about Canada and a sense of fair play because they have demonstrated that their alliegence is to Isreal first and foremost.

The knee-jerk over-reactions over one statement shows how narrow minded Michelle is. She is not a Canadian in my eyes and show radical behavour that we accuse many Muslims of.

Shame on her.
The black/white mentality of some Liberal members would be more appropriate for the Cons...

TangoJuliette said...

ahhhhhYesss!!

The BigTent All Inclusive Liberal Barnum and Bailey Dingaling Brothers Travelling Circus and Cop-Out Show. To wit:

And this is usually 'liberally prefaced with that grand daddy of the Liberals' uber disclaimer mantra: "...but of course, you'll have to concede, that (s)he is NOT A TRUE LIBERAL.

NOT A REAL CANADIAN. I mean, how on earth could (s)he be? (S)he's not toeing the Liberal Party's Line."

According to CHERNIAK WTF:

"...Notice that the ones dropping are so pro-Israel that no matter what that country does they would support them blindly.
I wonder if Michelle, Jason C really care about Canada and a sense of fair play because they have demonstrated that their alliegence is to Isreal first and foremost.

The knee-jerk over-reactions over one statement shows how narrow minded Michelle is. She is not a Canadian in my eyes and show radical behavour that we accuse many Muslims of.

Shame on her.
The black/white mentality of some Liberal members would be more appropriate for the Cons..."

Black/white mentality? is this neocommie racism, or is this just regurgitation of "Iggie tries to slam Harper?" Things are too cut and dried? too b&w? Not enough nuance and slide'n'glide?

With this twaddle as criteria, one must safely assume that the world of computers was undoubtedly invented by a Conservative nonlibish type who actually believed in "something."

You know the drill. Black white, yes no, clear cut, on off, Binary System. Conservatives create the wonders of computers. probably explains why so many Conservatives are just so damned good at this tech stuff, eh??

But of course, Al Gore gets the nod and possible Nobel Prize for his pioneering work in inventing the WWW wonderful world of the Internet.

As for why some are abandoning Liberal precincts at this time, over Silly Iggie-trash-talk? I strongly suggest that CHERNIAK WTF author grow a pair and undertake doing a personal face to face with some of the departees. Well known names, not hard to track down.

Reisman, Schwartz, Cotler. . .easy marks. Go question their "Canadian-ness," and their integrity, and their now abandoned "Liberal-ness."

Are CHERNIAK WTF's purges and smear jobs the new KGB-style approach of the New and Improved LPC? Looking more and more Kremlin-esque, wouldn't you say? Can you drag Comrade JackLaytoban into this equation as well? I'm guessing that he's felling fairly "left" out of things right about now.

HEY THERE, CHERNIAK WTF!! : DO YOU SPEAK FOR THE LIBERAL PARTY OF CANADA? FOR ANY SHADOW AND SECRET VERSION OF SAME? FOR THE IGG-STER?

[ BTW: I'm tempted to call you a schmuck, but have determined that this would be unkind to all the real weenies of the world. ]

THINK YOU CAN GET BACK TO US WITHIN THE NEXT 72 HOURS, JUST TO BRING US ALL UP TO DATE ON WHAT THESE DEPARTING EX-LOYALISTS THING OF YOU AND YOUR SMARMY SMEARS?

ANYONE ELSE FEEL UP TO COLLATING AND FWD.ing CHERNIAK WTF's ANTI-SEMITIC, ANTI-ISRAEL DRIVEL, TO THOSE FOLKS WHOSE LOYALTIES HAVE BEEN MALIGNED AND QUESTIONED FOR TAKING WHAT THEY THINK IS A PRINCIPLED STAND ON A SPECIFIC ISSUE?

I sincerely hope that those you've insulted and offended, track you down, trace the internecine connections running your mouth, and just sue the asses off you guys.




luv, hogs an kissees!

'cause I'm still luvin' this.

Cherniak_WTF said...

Hey TangoJuliette,

First Gore never stated that he invented the internet. You can google it. His words may have not have been elegant but it’s a lie to say he claims to have done so.
This does give me an idea of your grasp on the facts.

Now lets see, you seem to have some twisted logic going on here also. I’ll try to assemble that mess into a clear rebuttal and clarification that you may understand.

I’ve often told Jason Cherniak that I’d met him face to face, so far he’s shown no interest. I may still see him in Montreal and will gladly introduce myself.

Reisman, Schwartz, Cotler – I’ve spoken to one of them. And?
As for the bookstore owner, I try to avoid her stores since she has been banning certain books. She can choose to sell whatever she wants and I’m fine with taking my patronage elsewhere.
As for what they think, who cares really – they have stated that Israel passes before Canada. In terms of foreign policy, I find it stupid that they have changed alliances over who is more Pro-Israel. Canada was once known as a nation of “honest brokers”, with this new climate of fear it’s become black/white and hate the Arabs… Being “pro-Israel” is just as bad as being “pro-Palestinian” as it removes any neutrality and fairness.

I used to support Dion but anyone who is as ill-organized and gives some official (or semi official) status to JC just underlines his bad judgment.

“Track me down” – that’s a good one. Why not just email me – it’s rather easy. Heck, I’d give out my email if it were not for nutbars like you.

Again, anyone who publicly abandons the Liberal party because they feel it’s not “pro-Israel” enough, I say good riddance. I’ve never understood brilliant person’s like Irwin Cotler who goes to absurd lengths to try and make a case for the “New anti-Semitism”. Me thinks that you equate criticism of Israel with being anti-Semitic. Now we seem to be vilified for any position that is not “pro-Israel”. Those who have left the Liberal party because of one issue and forget all that the Liberal party stands for show contempt and intolerance. I’m sure they will be welcomed elsewhere