This little news item just showed up on National Newswatch - "Liberal MP's In-law Interviewed in Air India case".
I'm still trying to understand all the implications. Please weigh in with your thoughts.
Update from Kerplonka.
And exactly who is the Control Freak?
48 comments:
The implications? Birds of a Feather!
And how about 'conflict of interest'?
Joanne -- Is there some point to your innuendo, or are you just muckraking for the fun of it?
Sweater Guy -- Implications? You like to jump to unfounded conclusions.
Well, this was worthy enough to be brought up by the Prime Minister in QP today, and it started a firestorm! The Liberals went wild and the speaker shut them down!!!!! First time ever in Parliament that this has happened!!!
Anon -- I want you (or Joanne, or Sweater Guy or any other Conservative supporter) to clearly spell out your allegations in no uncertain terms so that we can all get a better understanding of the nature of the innuendo being made. Don't be coy now... lay it out for us all to see.
what is red tory afraid of
Always playing to the most offensive elements of our society.
Muslims are the most offensive element in our society? Oh my.
this was worthy enough to be brought up by the Prime Minister in QP today, and it started a firestorm! The Liberals went wild and the speaker shut them down!!!!! First time ever in Parliament that this has happened!!!
I saw that too! It was incredible. I will be looking forward to reading the Hansard transcripts.
A valid innuendo would be that Dion has traded killing the provisions for leadership race votes, in spite of his caucus and higher-ups in the LPC.
A valid innuendo would be that Dion has traded killing the provisions for leadership race votes, in spite of his caucus and higher-ups in the LPC.
That's what the article appears to be suggesting, alright. I can't find anything in MSM about this, but it really was shocking how the Liberals behaved in QP.
it really was shocking how the Liberals behaved in QP.
I think its a bit shocking that the PM was about to suggest that an opposition MP was involved with terrorist activities.
Albeit he didn't say it specifically, but he was working up to that. Very un-prime ministerial.
That's exactly the point. The oppostion didn't even give him a chance to talk. He started reading the article from the Sun, and the whole Liberal caucus shouted him down.
Here's a link btw.
Mike Duffy should be interesting tonight!
Very poor taste on Harper's part. Stupid too. Machiavelli always said that the ruler always gets someone else to wield the knife.
Having Harper read the question at least guarantees that the MSM may at least consider picking up on the story.
And I don't believe anyone is suggesting that a LPC MP is/was involved with terrorists. It is plausible that a Lib MP is being granted the favour of having a family member being a get-out-an-inquiry-free-card in return for votes at the expense of public safety.
If you suggest it's poor taste/bad judgement for the CPC to bring this up then you're mistaken.
If Libs have nothing to hide, have a free vote on the Anti-terrorism sunset clauses.
The 'Party of the Charter' better think about this one VERY carefully.
AVFTW -- I commend you for stepping up to the plate and being so forthright, even though I think the allegation is reprehensible and without foundation. And no, I’m not a “20-something know-it-all” -- I wish. Try doubling that and throwing on a few more years for good measure. Oh, and FYI I don’t have any tattoos. A disgusting practice, in my opinion.
In the tight knit South Asian community, it is very hard to believe that Bains did not know of the man (a relative..)
His father-in-law... if I read the article correctly. I don't know if tight-knit is a pre-req to knowing your own father-in-law.
But speaking of tight-knit, this has to really hurt the LPC in BC, no matter how it spins out.
Something is going on here...
That's for sure. And it's not like Harper to just do something on a whim...
Just caught Mike Duffy talking about this.
Apparently higher ups on both sides were trying to negotiate an extension of nine months only of the Anti terror laws, in order facilitate the Air India investigation. Sounds like a good plan right?
When it got to Dion, Duff said he 'quashed' it.
Red has a very demanding tone today!
quite inappropriate for a ghost...more like a poltergeist!
I'll venture to say that the old Saw about Birds of a feather flocking together really covers it.
The birds in question would be:
Dion, Navdeep Singh Bains, Darshan Singh Saini and others who may be involved in the possible attempts to interfere with investigations and prosecutions related to the terrorist murder of the passengers of that Air India flight in the 80's. Furthermore as reports pertaining to the previous investigations have documented there was a clear conspiracy among certain groups to intimidate or interfere with witnesses to hide information and to protect suspects from investigation.
Saini is implicated in these events.
Connect Sanai, his son in law Bains who has already tried to claim he has no connection to Sanai ( a baldfaced lie)and Dion who clearly owes Bains for political support.
As the last 14 or so years have so clearly shown Liberal willingness to undertake ANY conduct that they think will bring them political support or influence and as Dion has clearly shown his affinity for Chretien era political games I'd say we have a BIRD in the house!
'Course I COULD be wrong!
If you do a little more digging, you are going to find a common link that connects the Sikh terror orgs, with intimidation of witnesses,and an attempt at shutting down the inquiry through a promise of..
Kursk, do you have links for any of this? It is quite shocking.
A report on the Gmery inquiry claimed that there was a group in the Liberal party that advocated the use of violence to achieve there ends.
Kursk, this whole thing is becoming quite unsettling. Where did you dig up all this stuff?
Was there something more in it for Martin? Money? Because of his shipping business???
The Western Standard had a story on the shipping/gang connection a few years ago.
Good work, Kursk....I'm not really surprised by what you wrote. I get frustrated however, when people think it's some kind of revelation that this could have been happening in Canada, with the help of Canadians.
All this talk of "Canadian values" in the msm is bs....humans are humans, and some are more prone to temptation that others.
Stop!!! My sides are splitting.
You really don't take this kursk guy seriously? Do you? I mean beside him, sweater guy is the epitome of probity and common sense.
Ok, let me get this straight.
You managed to get real close to your TV and notice a couple of letters on a government document and all of a sudden the Liberals are involved in extortion and murder.
Wow, move over Perry Mason, you've got some skills!
The reason Red Tory is the Liberals are now in bed with the Islamic vote, which is why Dion is not renewing the Anti-Terror laws. Always playing to the most offensive elements of our society.
The ethnic group in question here is Sikhs, not muslims.
If nothing else, I think that we ought to be concerned that the Liberals will effectively shut down the Air India enquiry. It does not seem prudent for them to allow that to happen. By doing so, they do leave a cloud of suspicion about their possible collusion with gangs. They would be wise to seek a compromise here.
Red Tory do you still think the security measures should be extended? Dion is pandering to some minorities and he is going to annoy a lot of others in that same minority community. I am not hearing very positive things about dion in the South Asian community these days.
If the man's father in law has information on air India 182, let him bring it forward. I personally knew almost 20 people on Air India 182, some of them babes in arms. Justice must be done.
Kursk -- Careful there, bub. You're going to have Joanne cowering under her bed with the lights on.
Prove me wrong..
Prove yourself right first there oh wise insider.
And something else very strange -- how could the Liberals have overseen the investigation of the Air India incident and come up with NOTHING after 25 years. Initially thought it puzzling that the Conservatives were taking on another expensive enquiry, particularly one where the facts were particularly difficult to unearth. Now I see that it may have been strategic. But will the investigation go ahead at this point? Kursk is right. Canadians should demand to see the blacked out names.
how could the Liberals have overseen the investigation of the Air India incident and come up with NOTHING after 25 years.
The criminal trial ended in March 2005. It's kind of pointless to set up an inquiry in the middle of a criminal trial, no?
The Liberals then appointed Bob Rae to see if an inquiry was appropriate but it was shut down as the election was called.
So, there was no investigation going on for 25 years, the investigation was in the hands of the law. If we want to point fingers, we could ask why nothing was found under Mulroney and Kim Campbell's watch just as easily.
To Joanne (TB), the owner of this blog:
You are hereby notified that you must not do anything to destroy any site tracking information that you may have.
Libelous accusations of murder may have been made here, and you may be required to provide assistance.
The Anti-Terrorism law has not yet expired, and there may be a hearing in which you could be considered a material witness. In such a situation you would be required to provide any site statistics information you have access to.
Track me! Track me! The comments here must be making someone uncomfortable.
She already has tracked you, anon.
Now that she has been made aware that the information could be required for an investigation, she must not destroy it.
But you have no reason to be uncomfortable, unless you turn out to be a libeler.
I think the simple axiom "your judged by the company you keep", should hang off Dions shoulders fairly well.
Nasty or not, Harper slid the knife deep, and he won't pay a penny for having done so.
Dions in heaping big crap on this. The Tories, thanks to Mike Duffy, "apparently" offered an olive branch to the Liberals of a 9 month extension, to complete the inquiry, and Dion squashed it.
If ever a leader of a party was on the edge of the cliff, leaning too far over, it's Dion.
God forbid, but if there's even a sniff of a terrorist cell in Canada in the next 3 months, he is so screwed... hell, the Liberals will be so screwed, it won't even be funny anymore.
He's rolling his dice on this, and I think he's gonna lose bad. Decension in the ranks, a little floor crossing, no one shows up to vote.
Bye bye Dion.
Could Harper ask for better? He's doesn't need to go to the polls, all he needs to do is pull Dion down, and then he gets another year of trouble free rule thanks to another leadership race. Plus the added bonus of a year to get the next Liberal turkey in his sites.
Cripes, at this rate, Harper is gonna run a minority for the next 5 years.
and Joanne, if you care for more information/insights,you have the e-mail address?..
This is all getting a bit bizarre, but my addy is
jo2424@hotmail.com
Always glad for a tip or lead. Thanks.
He's rolling his dice on this, and I think he's gonna lose bad. Decension in the ranks, a little floor crossing, no one shows up to vote.
What's with the "WC", JC?
Anyway (according to Mike Duffy), Dion said he would punish anyone who did not show up for the vote and adhere to the three-line whip by not having their nomination papers signed.
That's about as controlling and dictatorial as a leader can get, short of throwing them out of the caucus.
The birds in question would be:
Dion, Navdeep Singh Bains, Darshan Singh Saini and others who may be involved in the possible attempts to interfere with investigations and prosecutions related to the terrorist murder of the passengers of that Air India flight in the 80's.
Well, I'm not sure how much Bains is involved in this, if at all.
It's all just speculation at this point.
Wow, this post has gone straignt to hell.
First we have commenters who can't tell the difference between the sikh and muslim community:
Always playing to the most offensive elements of our society
The above statement shows so much ignorance, its rather hillarious.
Then we have guns, gangsters, murder, conspiracy, extortion, and everything else under the sun - standard fare for the big, bad Liberal party, I suppose.
Then, finally, we have a small, although rather late, voice of reason:
Well, I'm not sure how much Bains is involved in this, if at all
Well, of course, Bains must have been about 8 years old at the time of the Air India bombing. He is the youngest MP in the commons after all.
Zac
Zac, yes of course I am aware of Bain's age. I was referring to this:
"Navdeep Singh Bains, MP for Mississauga-Brampton South, shot on to the national stage after the December 2006 convention in which he delivered huge support to Gerard Kennedy and later to Dion, who won the Liberal leadership by 437 votes."
On the first item, you must have been to Red's blog and then decided to refer a comment that I had already deleted.
Yes, I saw you zapped that comment. The Anon was nice enought to repeat it (and thankfully call him out on such offensive dribble).
I see that I was mistaken about what you were referring to earlier. About the whole Navdeep Bains delivered over 200 (or so) delegates and thus gave Dion the win in Montreal, I think is false. I was there on the floor the whole time. Nothing of the sort occured and those who assert that it did are very uninformed and rather ignorant in assuming that the Sikh delegates there are mere sheep being led by a sheppard to wherever they can be of use. It's disrespectful, to say the least.
On an aside, I was also at the CPC convention and the various delegate selection meetings before, so if anyone wants to throw mud about voting blocks, let's start tossing.
Zac
BTW, sorry for reading your earlier comment wrong Joanne. My apologies.
Zac
No problem, Zac. And if the Sun got it wrong about the leadership convention and how things really were, I can only defer to your wisdom because I was not there. I was merely quoting from the Sun.
I was merely quoting from the Sun.
The Sun should frankly be ashamed of themselves for making such an accusation.
Almost all of Kennedy's delegates went to Dion. To single out this group of Sikh delegates and implying that, "well they just followed Bains because they have a different skin colour than us a wear funny hats" is beyond stupid and rather insulting.
Zac
The Sun should frankly be ashamed of themselves for making such an accusation.
If what they printed was false and defamatory, I hope for their sake they have good lawyers on their payroll, because they should be squeezed in court till their pips squeak.
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