Wednesday, February 21, 2007

Mmmm.... Very interesting

This little news item just showed up on National Newswatch - "Liberal MP's In-law Interviewed in Air India case".

I'm still trying to understand all the implications. Please weigh in with your thoughts.


Update from Kerplonka.

And exactly who is the Control Freak?

55 comments:

PGP said...

The implications? Birds of a Feather!

Joanne (True Blue) said...

And how about 'conflict of interest'?

Red Tory said...

Joanne -- Is there some point to your innuendo, or are you just muckraking for the fun of it?

Sweater Guy -- Implications? You like to jump to unfounded conclusions.

Anonymous said...

Well, this was worthy enough to be brought up by the Prime Minister in QP today, and it started a firestorm! The Liberals went wild and the speaker shut them down!!!!! First time ever in Parliament that this has happened!!!

Red Tory said...

Anon -- I want you (or Joanne, or Sweater Guy or any other Conservative supporter) to clearly spell out your allegations in no uncertain terms so that we can all get a better understanding of the nature of the innuendo being made. Don't be coy now... lay it out for us all to see.

View from the West said...
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Anonymous said...

what is red tory afraid of

Anonymous said...

Always playing to the most offensive elements of our society.

Muslims are the most offensive element in our society? Oh my.

Joanne (True Blue) said...

this was worthy enough to be brought up by the Prime Minister in QP today, and it started a firestorm! The Liberals went wild and the speaker shut them down!!!!! First time ever in Parliament that this has happened!!!

I saw that too! It was incredible. I will be looking forward to reading the Hansard transcripts.

Anonymous said...

A valid innuendo would be that Dion has traded killing the provisions for leadership race votes, in spite of his caucus and higher-ups in the LPC.

Joanne (True Blue) said...

A valid innuendo would be that Dion has traded killing the provisions for leadership race votes, in spite of his caucus and higher-ups in the LPC.

That's what the article appears to be suggesting, alright. I can't find anything in MSM about this, but it really was shocking how the Liberals behaved in QP.

Anonymous said...

it really was shocking how the Liberals behaved in QP.

I think its a bit shocking that the PM was about to suggest that an opposition MP was involved with terrorist activities.

Albeit he didn't say it specifically, but he was working up to that. Very un-prime ministerial.

Joanne (True Blue) said...

That's exactly the point. The oppostion didn't even give him a chance to talk. He started reading the article from the Sun, and the whole Liberal caucus shouted him down.

Here's a link btw.

Mike Duffy should be interesting tonight!

bigcitylib said...

Very poor taste on Harper's part. Stupid too. Machiavelli always said that the ruler always gets someone else to wield the knife.

Anonymous said...

Having Harper read the question at least guarantees that the MSM may at least consider picking up on the story.

And I don't believe anyone is suggesting that a LPC MP is/was involved with terrorists. It is plausible that a Lib MP is being granted the favour of having a family member being a get-out-an-inquiry-free-card in return for votes at the expense of public safety.

If you suggest it's poor taste/bad judgement for the CPC to bring this up then you're mistaken.

kursk said...

Hmm.. innuendo..where there is smoke, i say fire..whatever the outcome, i believe this warrants some attention.

Follow the chain..Navdeep Singh Baims delivers 250 votes at the leadership convention,helping by about half the number of votes Stephane Dion is elected by...

Dion, now in charge of the Liberals, backtracks on the renewing on a liberal instituted anti- terror bill, saying it is no longer needed.This position is not supported by many liberals including the former Justice minister Irwin Cotler (among others..) many will abstain from the upcoming vote,or vote against, if they are not whipped..* sounds like they are now!

This comes hot on the heels of it being announced that Paul Martin attended a fundraiser that was controlled by known terrorist sympathisers in the SA community, even after being warned by CSIS not to do so.

What have the Liberal aparatcheks done to obtain this ethnic voting block? What promises have messrs.Dion and Martin made that would allow Dion a chance at power?

Is it possible that the price was the elimination of the ATA and enactment of its sunset clauses?

In the tight knit South Asian community, it is very hard to believe that Bains did not know of the man (a relative..) in question..is it sheer coincidence, that the man who delivered a win for Dion, could help benefit a relative (and a return of future SA votes..) by having the inquiry quashed?..

Something is going on here..

wilson61 said...

If Libs have nothing to hide, have a free vote on the Anti-terrorism sunset clauses.

The 'Party of the Charter' better think about this one VERY carefully.

Red Tory said...

AVFTW -- I commend you for stepping up to the plate and being so forthright, even though I think the allegation is reprehensible and without foundation. And no, I’m not a “20-something know-it-all” -- I wish. Try doubling that and throwing on a few more years for good measure. Oh, and FYI I don’t have any tattoos. A disgusting practice, in my opinion.

Anonymous said...

In the tight knit South Asian community, it is very hard to believe that Bains did not know of the man (a relative..)

His father-in-law... if I read the article correctly. I don't know if tight-knit is a pre-req to knowing your own father-in-law.

But speaking of tight-knit, this has to really hurt the LPC in BC, no matter how it spins out.

Joanne (True Blue) said...

Something is going on here...

That's for sure. And it's not like Harper to just do something on a whim...

Joanne (True Blue) said...

Just caught Mike Duffy talking about this.

Apparently higher ups on both sides were trying to negotiate an extension of nine months only of the Anti terror laws, in order facilitate the Air India investigation. Sounds like a good plan right?

When it got to Dion, Duff said he 'quashed' it.

PGP said...

Red has a very demanding tone today!
quite inappropriate for a ghost...more like a poltergeist!

I'll venture to say that the old Saw about Birds of a feather flocking together really covers it.
The birds in question would be:
Dion, Navdeep Singh Bains, Darshan Singh Saini and others who may be involved in the possible attempts to interfere with investigations and prosecutions related to the terrorist murder of the passengers of that Air India flight in the 80's. Furthermore as reports pertaining to the previous investigations have documented there was a clear conspiracy among certain groups to intimidate or interfere with witnesses to hide information and to protect suspects from investigation.
Saini is implicated in these events.

Connect Sanai, his son in law Bains who has already tried to claim he has no connection to Sanai ( a baldfaced lie)and Dion who clearly owes Bains for political support.

As the last 14 or so years have so clearly shown Liberal willingness to undertake ANY conduct that they think will bring them political support or influence and as Dion has clearly shown his affinity for Chretien era political games I'd say we have a BIRD in the house!

'Course I COULD be wrong!

kursk said...

This one is starting to stink more and more...If you do a little more digging, you are going to find a common link that connects the Sikh terror orgs, with intimidation of witnesses,and an attempt at shutting down the inquiry through a promise of..

(first) a voting bloc to get Dion elected (many by newly signed members for a dedicated purpose..) and secondly,another large bloc of South Asians come next federal election.

I think we will find that some of the names blacked out in the air India inquiry are one and the same as those suspected of witness intimidation, as well as having feelers through Paul Martin to the very ear of the one man who could make these mens life easier...

Again, i ask, what are the names we were not allowed to see, are they names that will tie illegal terrorist fundraising in Canada, to the air India inquiry?

Will these same names be shown to have ties to Stephane Dion, through Bains, through Paul Martin? Where does it stop?

The Canadian public should demand to see the blacked out names, and if Dion is sacrificing Canadians safety by consorting with terrorists for the sake of power, God Help him...

Joanne (True Blue) said...

If you do a little more digging, you are going to find a common link that connects the Sikh terror orgs, with intimidation of witnesses,and an attempt at shutting down the inquiry through a promise of..

Kursk, do you have links for any of this? It is quite shocking.

Swift said...

A report on the Gmery inquiry claimed that there was a group in the Liberal party that advocated the use of violence to achieve there ends.

kursk said...

I will provide what i can...there will be some things coming out that will shock if CSIS allows the blacked out areas of the report to be made public...

In 1990, Paul Martin began a descent down a slippery slope by consorting with known terrorists.Throughout that decade,people known to CSIS kept contact with the Liberal party of Canada.Names collected by the intelligence community had ties to
ISYF (intnl. Sikh youth federation) and KLF (Khalistan liberation force).

During the next decade (of international investigations) there was a combined two prong approach in the South Asian terrorist community in regards to the promotion of terrorist aims.... in Canada in general and the air India inquiry in particular....

For over 15 years, the ISYF and KLF grew roots in the South Asian community and sought legitimacy by hitching their wagon to the Liberal party.For a decade, almost unoticed by the MSM,they waged a campaign of intimidation, beatings and attempted murder.The seeds of Dions flip flop began at the banquet attended by Martin.

It was always the goal of the terrorists operating in Canada to make the inquiry proceed as slowly as possible, with spanners thrown into the works as often as possible in an attempt at derailing the process.When released, the names of men at that banquet will be shown to be many of the same men who waged internecine warfare in the SA community.

Is it a coincidence, that as long as the liberals were in power, this cabal grew, and the inquiry dragged on?..Some of our west coast friends might be more able to say, but the liberal involvement at the riding association level grew throughout the 90's, reaching an all time high in the last election.

When the reports blanked out pages are released, it will become more clear just how much involvement SA islamists had in organizing instant liberals and silencing dissent

Liberal MP Bains delivered 250 critical votes, through the powerful SA/ISYF/KLF lobby groups to Dion, the culmination of over a decade of laying down roots in the SA community.Many of the actors in this play are known to CSIS and the RCMP,and are as active in the community as they were the day the bomb went off and killed over 300 Canadian souls... by Capita, the worst terrorist attack against the west before 9-11.

It is now 2007, and is time to pay up for the Liberals.This action on behalf of Bains relative is only the first payment in a series of debts owed by the liberals.There is no way liberals own many of the seats in their majorities govts in the 90's without the help of these groups.Canadians deserve the truth..what was promised then ? to whom?

Why are the sunset clauses being enacted at the very moment we need the ATA to get to the bottom of well? What promise(s) did Dion make to the voting bloc that helped him achieve power?

What are the names on the list? Why are we not allowed to see them? Is this too explosive?

This is gong to get very ugly for the liberals.

kursk said...

I forgot to mention, that on t.v. the other day,a govt of Canada minion held up a photo copy of one of the completely blanked out pages.I could not help but notice that the header was CY-POIG...in big bold letters

C(CSIS) Y (internal govt affairs)

POI(Persons of interest)

...and the big one folks..
G(govt)

Now, who could be on a list from an internally sourced govt of Canada CSIS document, that is blacked out because there is sensitive information contained on the page?

Remember now, these documents were released because they pertain to the enquiry...which means there is a connection...now for the addition...

Martin + ISYF + KLF,
liberal sponsored growth of instant voting blocs
15 years untouched growth,(though known and documented..)
Air India Inquiry on verge of collapse
Bains delivers 250 votes to Dion to win leadership.
Bains relative stands to gain much as a "person of interest" if ATA is sunsetted..
Dion announces that the sunset clauses will be enacted..
CSIS releases documents that are sourced at the highest level of internal investigation..
They are released blacked out...

Who is on the document?
Why are they deemed to be so sensitive?
What information needs to be protected?

Joanne (True Blue) said...

Kursk, this whole thing is becoming quite unsettling. Where did you dig up all this stuff?

kursk said...

Joanne..in life you cross paths with many interesting and strange people...some of them in very different parts of the world, some in Ottawa...

I have had contact with some of your readers and fellow blogging Tories from Vancouver who tell me that they are pretty sure there was murder to throw in with the extortion, intimidation etc...it's just a matter of connecting the dots...some things thought to be domestic, really are part of something larger, and we as Canadians had better wake up.

Anonymous said...

Was there something more in it for Martin? Money? Because of his shipping business???

The Western Standard had a story on the shipping/gang connection a few years ago.

Good work, Kursk....I'm not really surprised by what you wrote. I get frustrated however, when people think it's some kind of revelation that this could have been happening in Canada, with the help of Canadians.

All this talk of "Canadian values" in the msm is bs....humans are humans, and some are more prone to temptation that others.

john calhoun's musical truss said...

Stop!!! My sides are splitting.
You really don't take this kursk guy seriously? Do you? I mean beside him, sweater guy is the epitome of probity and common sense.

Anonymous said...

Ok, let me get this straight.

You managed to get real close to your TV and notice a couple of letters on a government document and all of a sudden the Liberals are involved in extortion and murder.

Wow, move over Perry Mason, you've got some skills!

Anonymous said...

The reason Red Tory is the Liberals are now in bed with the Islamic vote, which is why Dion is not renewing the Anti-Terror laws. Always playing to the most offensive elements of our society.

The ethnic group in question here is Sikhs, not muslims.

kursk said...

Well, we all laughed at a lot of things once considered out of the realm of possibility...air travel,tasty treats from a little electric oven,Liberals without a scandal...

...and i just present the facts as they are documented and aggregated from others, including the media, friends with more knowledge and wisdom than i..all items stated are easy to research, i suggest you do the same before passing judgement..

I don't make the news, i view it criticlly and lay out the events as they have happened..they are all factual, all real, and all equally disturbing..sounds like you may be just whistling past the graveyard..

There is no "conspiracy" if that is your intended slur,just facts being presented in order for you to make an informed decision.This "Kursk guy" just may have been around the'ole block once or twice, and just may have some insight and experience you lack.
Why don't YOU push for a release of the classified/blacked out names?

Prove me wrong..

..and Joanne, if you care for more information/insights,you have the e-mail address?.. it could be an interesting story for a budding investigative writer!!! know any?

Anonymous said...

If nothing else, I think that we ought to be concerned that the Liberals will effectively shut down the Air India enquiry. It does not seem prudent for them to allow that to happen. By doing so, they do leave a cloud of suspicion about their possible collusion with gangs. They would be wise to seek a compromise here.

Roy Eappen said...

Red Tory do you still think the security measures should be extended? Dion is pandering to some minorities and he is going to annoy a lot of others in that same minority community. I am not hearing very positive things about dion in the South Asian community these days.
If the man's father in law has information on air India 182, let him bring it forward. I personally knew almost 20 people on Air India 182, some of them babes in arms. Justice must be done.

Red Tory said...

Kursk -- Careful there, bub. You're going to have Joanne cowering under her bed with the lights on.

Anonymous said...

Prove me wrong..

Prove yourself right first there oh wise insider.

Anonymous said...

And something else very strange -- how could the Liberals have overseen the investigation of the Air India incident and come up with NOTHING after 25 years. Initially thought it puzzling that the Conservatives were taking on another expensive enquiry, particularly one where the facts were particularly difficult to unearth. Now I see that it may have been strategic. But will the investigation go ahead at this point? Kursk is right. Canadians should demand to see the blacked out names.

Anonymous said...

how could the Liberals have overseen the investigation of the Air India incident and come up with NOTHING after 25 years.

The criminal trial ended in March 2005. It's kind of pointless to set up an inquiry in the middle of a criminal trial, no?

The Liberals then appointed Bob Rae to see if an inquiry was appropriate but it was shut down as the election was called.

So, there was no investigation going on for 25 years, the investigation was in the hands of the law. If we want to point fingers, we could ask why nothing was found under Mulroney and Kim Campbell's watch just as easily.

liberal supporter said...

To Joanne (TB), the owner of this blog:

You are hereby notified that you must not do anything to destroy any site tracking information that you may have.

Libelous accusations of murder may have been made here, and you may be required to provide assistance.

The Anti-Terrorism law has not yet expired, and there may be a hearing in which you could be considered a material witness. In such a situation you would be required to provide any site statistics information you have access to.

Anonymous said...

Track me! Track me! The comments here must be making someone uncomfortable.

liberal supporter said...

She already has tracked you, anon.

Now that she has been made aware that the information could be required for an investigation, she must not destroy it.

But you have no reason to be uncomfortable, unless you turn out to be a libeler.

WC aka Joe Calgary said...

I think the simple axiom "your judged by the company you keep", should hang off Dions shoulders fairly well.

Nasty or not, Harper slid the knife deep, and he won't pay a penny for having done so.

Dions in heaping big crap on this. The Tories, thanks to Mike Duffy, "apparently" offered an olive branch to the Liberals of a 9 month extension, to complete the inquiry, and Dion squashed it.

If ever a leader of a party was on the edge of the cliff, leaning too far over, it's Dion.

God forbid, but if there's even a sniff of a terrorist cell in Canada in the next 3 months, he is so screwed... hell, the Liberals will be so screwed, it won't even be funny anymore.

He's rolling his dice on this, and I think he's gonna lose bad. Decension in the ranks, a little floor crossing, no one shows up to vote.

Bye bye Dion.

Could Harper ask for better? He's doesn't need to go to the polls, all he needs to do is pull Dion down, and then he gets another year of trouble free rule thanks to another leadership race. Plus the added bonus of a year to get the next Liberal turkey in his sites.

Cripes, at this rate, Harper is gonna run a minority for the next 5 years.

kursk said...

Why would Darshan Singh Saini not want the inquiry to go ahead? How far would the terrorists go to disrupt or delay this inquiry?

Have we forgot? my assertions are correct and factual. Not only has there been coersion, extortion, intimidation, yes indeed there has been murder.

Two in fact.

The dots are connecting fellows..lets see the names!..and anonymous, these murders are known to have occurred to silence witnesses in the air India trial.Do you see anything libelous in the reporting of the truth?

Who are you? and what do you have to hide?

intimidation..
http://www.encyclopedia.com/
doc/1G1-74451202.html


Murder:

Silence, Secrecy and Setbacks for Press Freedom
Speech by Anne Kothawala, President and CEO, Canadian Newspaper Association, to
the National Press Club World Press Freedom Day Luncheon
May 3
rd
2005

The killing of Tara Singh Hayer.
You will recall that Hayer, editor of a Punjabi-language newspaper in BC, was
assassinated in Surrey in 1998. A prospective witness in the Air India case, he died
before he could deliver evidence in court. He had already been the target of an
assassination attempt some years earlier, a result, some say, for speaking out against Sikh
fundamentalism. No suspects have been arrested, or charged.

I have argued that Tara Singh Hayer belongs on the list. He is actually one of two Air
India witnesses who were killed before either could testify. Hayer was killed after an
earlier assassination attempt failed and after several years of reporting death threats
against him to police.
Death threats drove one key Air India witness into a witness protection program. And
death threats have been made against Kim Bolan, the reporter who knows so much about
this story that people close to it say she knows more than the police! Kim’s home has
been shot at, and she has required police protection.


I would say that the liberals have some explaining to do if Bains delivered votes (for a leadership election victory) that included support from the ISYF/KLF faction that have a vested interest in Bains relative not appearing before a board of inquiry.

If Dion did not know this, someone did not do due diligence in vetting where the support was coming from, and what the cost was to obtain it.Paul Martin offered the initial support, is it any wonder he was taken up on it?

The ISYF/KLF and home grown cell axis has been festering for many years and now manifests itself in
the instant voting blocs in the South Asian community.

Joanne (True Blue) said...

and Joanne, if you care for more information/insights,you have the e-mail address?..

This is all getting a bit bizarre, but my addy is

jo2424@hotmail.com

Always glad for a tip or lead. Thanks.

Joanne (True Blue) said...

He's rolling his dice on this, and I think he's gonna lose bad. Decension in the ranks, a little floor crossing, no one shows up to vote.

What's with the "WC", JC?

Anyway (according to Mike Duffy), Dion said he would punish anyone who did not show up for the vote and adhere to the three-line whip by not having their nomination papers signed.

That's about as controlling and dictatorial as a leader can get, short of throwing them out of the caucus.

Joanne (True Blue) said...

The birds in question would be:
Dion, Navdeep Singh Bains, Darshan Singh Saini and others who may be involved in the possible attempts to interfere with investigations and prosecutions related to the terrorist murder of the passengers of that Air India flight in the 80's.


Well, I'm not sure how much Bains is involved in this, if at all.

It's all just speculation at this point.

Anonymous said...

Wow, this post has gone straignt to hell.

First we have commenters who can't tell the difference between the sikh and muslim community:

Always playing to the most offensive elements of our society

The above statement shows so much ignorance, its rather hillarious.

Then we have guns, gangsters, murder, conspiracy, extortion, and everything else under the sun - standard fare for the big, bad Liberal party, I suppose.

Then, finally, we have a small, although rather late, voice of reason:

Well, I'm not sure how much Bains is involved in this, if at all

Well, of course, Bains must have been about 8 years old at the time of the Air India bombing. He is the youngest MP in the commons after all.

Zac

Joanne (True Blue) said...

Zac, yes of course I am aware of Bain's age. I was referring to this:

"Navdeep Singh Bains, MP for Mississauga-Brampton South, shot on to the national stage after the December 2006 convention in which he delivered huge support to Gerard Kennedy and later to Dion, who won the Liberal leadership by 437 votes."

On the first item, you must have been to Red's blog and then decided to refer a comment that I had already deleted.

Anonymous said...

Yes, I saw you zapped that comment. The Anon was nice enought to repeat it (and thankfully call him out on such offensive dribble).

I see that I was mistaken about what you were referring to earlier. About the whole Navdeep Bains delivered over 200 (or so) delegates and thus gave Dion the win in Montreal, I think is false. I was there on the floor the whole time. Nothing of the sort occured and those who assert that it did are very uninformed and rather ignorant in assuming that the Sikh delegates there are mere sheep being led by a sheppard to wherever they can be of use. It's disrespectful, to say the least.

On an aside, I was also at the CPC convention and the various delegate selection meetings before, so if anyone wants to throw mud about voting blocks, let's start tossing.

Zac

Anonymous said...

BTW, sorry for reading your earlier comment wrong Joanne. My apologies.

Zac

Joanne (True Blue) said...

No problem, Zac. And if the Sun got it wrong about the leadership convention and how things really were, I can only defer to your wisdom because I was not there. I was merely quoting from the Sun.

Anonymous said...

I was merely quoting from the Sun.

The Sun should frankly be ashamed of themselves for making such an accusation.

Almost all of Kennedy's delegates went to Dion. To single out this group of Sikh delegates and implying that, "well they just followed Bains because they have a different skin colour than us a wear funny hats" is beyond stupid and rather insulting.

Zac

Brian in Calgary said...

The Sun should frankly be ashamed of themselves for making such an accusation.

If what they printed was false and defamatory, I hope for their sake they have good lawyers on their payroll, because they should be squeezed in court till their pips squeak.