tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post2496925316483119174..comments2023-10-19T06:24:41.808-04:00Comments on Joanne's Journey: Final thoughts on the Oct. 10 massacreJoanne (True Blue)http://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-25241343806797395272007-10-13T17:30:00.000-04:002007-10-13T17:30:00.000-04:00And then BBH!!,Right! We'll wait for McGuinty to c...<I>And then BBH!!,</I><BR/><BR/>Right! We'll wait for McGuinty to crash & burn the economy and then the whole province will be on its knees begging him to come back.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-72167303406479244792007-10-13T17:13:00.000-04:002007-10-13T17:13:00.000-04:00And then BBH!!bluetechAnd then BBH!!<BR/><BR/>bluetechAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-36989578900228837362007-10-13T07:18:00.000-04:002007-10-13T07:18:00.000-04:00YES we can have labour peace. Just let the unions ...<I>YES we can have labour peace. Just let the unions run the province. That the CAW and Teachers unions (Working Families Coalition) have gone over to the Libs now provides a wedge.</I><BR/><BR/>You said a mouthful there. I'm worried that four years from now we're going to look back at the Rae years as a time of relative fiscal conservatism.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-53119722687179159482007-10-13T04:14:00.000-04:002007-10-13T04:14:00.000-04:00Re. Bring back HArris...Snobelen was on TVO the ot...Re. Bring back HArris...<BR/><BR/>Snobelen was on TVO the other day...he said Tory distancing himself from HArris was another mistake cuz he then couldn't counter the Lib attack that Tory would be a repeat of HArris ... Ontario needed to reform education, hospitals, municipalities and Harris got the job done. YES we can have labour peace. Just let the unions run the province. That the CAW and Teachers unions (Working Families Coalition) have gone over to the Libs now provides a wedge. <BR/><BR/>As for the Greens, you got your atheists, world summit rock throwers and pride paraders getting together (OSSN). It's a democracy. Here they pushed the nuclear button and that gets an instant 30% of the vote. Shut down the nukes. shutdown the coal plants. But the sun don't shine and wind don't blow enough most of the time. Cons who converted to Green get yourselves a supply of candles and enjoy your new bedfellows.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-39550845563026956362007-10-12T23:41:00.000-04:002007-10-12T23:41:00.000-04:00If Bill Murdoch and Randy Hillier were snubbed by ...If Bill Murdoch and Randy Hillier were snubbed by Tory, but elected in their ridings that is evidence that conservative voters have spoken.<BR/>Yes...bring back Harris!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-86569839497591673002007-10-12T21:22:00.000-04:002007-10-12T21:22:00.000-04:00Not ethics, just fairness.If 40% for the Libs is a...Not ethics, just fairness.<BR/><BR/>If 40% for the Libs is a majority of 70+ seats, why not a few seats for 8%?Möbiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11851148006420274055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-47933245456610532792007-10-12T21:04:00.001-04:002007-10-12T21:04:00.001-04:00"through" not "though"."through" not "though".Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-12583224702145782552007-10-12T21:04:00.000-04:002007-10-12T21:04:00.000-04:00Joanne, don't you agree that the Greens should get...<I>Joanne, don't you agree that the Greens should get few seats when 8% of eligible voters vote for them? They weren't far behind the NDP.</I><BR/><BR/>They were very close. Jolley Green giant almost had a seat. Next time they may come though.<BR/><BR/>However, I don't like the word "should". I implies some kind of ethics, which is sadly lacking in politics.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-79942081245370923072007-10-12T21:00:00.000-04:002007-10-12T21:00:00.000-04:00I don't have a link on the vote counts, but I thin...I don't have a link on the vote counts, but I think all the papers have them.<BR/><BR/>Large % losses for Lib and PC, and % gains for NDP and Green.<BR/><BR/>No seat gains, but that's the way the system works.<BR/><BR/>Joanne, don't you agree that the Greens should get few seats when 8% of eligible voters vote for them? They weren't far behind the NDP.Möbiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11851148006420274055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-86914948908103100982007-10-12T20:58:00.000-04:002007-10-12T20:58:00.000-04:00Peter Van Loan????Meaning he gets turfed or he is ...<I>Peter Van Loan</I>????<BR/><BR/>Meaning he gets turfed or he is wooed???Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-63402611611573601042007-10-12T20:55:00.000-04:002007-10-12T20:55:00.000-04:00If there's a federal election soon I bet Tory stay...If there's a federal election soon I bet Tory stays on until AFTER that. There may be some of those ex-fed. conservatives who may just fit the bill.<BR/><BR/>Peter Van LoanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1380885127493695012007-10-12T20:44:00.000-04:002007-10-12T20:44:00.000-04:00Möbius, you wouldn't have a link, would you?Möbius, you wouldn't have a link, would you?Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-52014924553402864932007-10-12T20:39:00.000-04:002007-10-12T20:39:00.000-04:00The Globe had a list of potential leadership candi...The Globe had a list of potential leadership candidates a few days ago.<BR/><BR/>I would suggest they lean more to the right, since the moderate strategy didnt' work for Tory (or Eves). It's hard to judge how much damage FB funding talk did, but that may have skewed the results severely. There seemed to be lots of votes going NDP and Green for protest.Möbiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11851148006420274055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-23229761137524897902007-10-12T20:24:00.000-04:002007-10-12T20:24:00.000-04:00How many conservatives suggested he back off the F...<I>How many conservatives suggested he back off the FB funding promise?</I><BR/><BR/>Exactly. He ignored advice about that, and even advice about running in a tough riding when he had to be all over the province. Sorry, John, but it's time to pass the torch.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-508805496218085432007-10-12T20:10:00.000-04:002007-10-12T20:10:00.000-04:00Tory is likely not going to sit around for 4 years...Tory is likely not going to sit around for 4 years of a Lib majority. It's time to hold a leadership vote, and see what comes out of it.<BR/><BR/>I actually like him, but the mistakes made in the campaign must rest on his shoulders. How many conservatives suggested he back off the FB funding promise?Möbiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11851148006420274055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-21379151043439116042007-10-12T19:53:00.000-04:002007-10-12T19:53:00.000-04:00I like the idea of a woman...Elliot would be good,...I like the idea of a woman...Elliot would be good, maybe witmer (but she's still part of the "old" crowd, no?)<BR/><BR/>Is Lisa Macleod too young and inexperienced? I kinda like her, tooTorianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12992414387201655110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-43571173969440932962007-10-12T19:47:00.000-04:002007-10-12T19:47:00.000-04:00Murdoch says... "I don't believe it was him [JT]. ...<I>Murdoch says... "I don't believe it was him [JT]. I think it was the people working for him. He got fooled. He hired bad people that didn't have a clue what goes on outside of Toronto and I don't think they knew what goes on there either," Murdoch said.</I><BR/><BR/>Murdoch was absolutely right, and I bow to his wisdom.<BR/><BR/>On another note, Shane Jolley's campaign signs were very clever - Jolley Green...<BR/><BR/>I saw a few driving to my sister's this past weekend.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-39005428368784889062007-10-12T18:34:00.000-04:002007-10-12T18:34:00.000-04:00True Blue-At first I thought -Bill at this time go...True Blue-At first I thought -Bill at this time go with the leader, the people will come around. But I had no idea how deeply rooted the objections were until i pried some family and friends. WOW! Bill was right. I hope the rural caucus understands the need to build the party. Murdoch says... "I don't believe it was him [JT]. I think it was the people working for him. He got fooled. He hired bad people that didn't have a clue what goes on outside of Toronto and I don't think they knew what goes on there either," Murdoch said.<BR/><BR/>"I'll support him if he wants to be leader but his first thing should be to fire them," said Murdoch, a 17-year veteran MPP who easily held off a strong Green Party challenge, defeating Shane Jolley by some 6,000 votes. <BR/><BR/>http://www.owensoundsuntimes.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=730661&auth=BILL+HENRYAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-65931138465705352292007-10-12T18:07:00.000-04:002007-10-12T18:07:00.000-04:00we got our MPP re-elected and he's being pretty gr...<I>we got our MPP re-elected and he's being pretty gracious to Tory after Tory publicly slighted him. </I><BR/><BR/>Ah, so you're in Bill Murdock's riding, right?<BR/><BR/>You know, when he first came out opposing Tory on FBF, I thought to myself, what an *ss, but now I see he had a clear handle on the pulse of the constituency, and wasn't afraid to stand up for them.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-41842090500703648732007-10-12T17:51:00.000-04:002007-10-12T17:51:00.000-04:00i feel for those poor saps who were so pissed at T...i feel for those poor saps who were so pissed at Tory that they stayed home and punished the local candidate. we got our MPP re-elected and he's being pretty gracious to Tory after Tory publicly slighted him. Tory owes this constituency an apology because the MPP did what the voters wanted. I'm not holding my breath. What really stunk was that Tory and his fancy pants city boys were going to tell rural Ontario how to vote on FBF. WRONG. Sorry I don't buy the JT nice guy story. That said, the base has to be grown. What had to be done to win the 905? FBF? Bull! SWTF really went on? Blues and Reds -have your ideological debates but don't let the bones of a contention get in the way of building an effective opposition. Even Randy Hillier understands that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-58143441938827023682007-10-12T16:11:00.000-04:002007-10-12T16:11:00.000-04:00Harper majority coming up soon.Zac, that's one of ...<I>Harper majority coming up soon.</I><BR/><BR/>Zac, that's one of the best, non-partisan comments you've ever made here.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1778330345050377182007-10-12T15:46:00.000-04:002007-10-12T15:46:00.000-04:00I support Randy Hillier for leader, I hope you all...I support Randy Hillier for leader, I hope you all do the same. <BR/><BR/>Kidding...<BR/><BR/>In all seriousness, I would begin to take a serious look at Christine Elliot. She's the best of the bunch right now. <BR/><BR/>And, JBG is correct. While some would look at Wednesday's result and predict that, "Oh, well Harper will never want to go now with the size of the Tory defeat" a more accurate notion would be that Ontario voters will be looking to balance things out. Harper could, and probably will, win a majority government easier now than he could have before. <BR/><BR/>Also, the true Conservative troops were not out on the streets this election. They didn't like Tory that much, from what I can tell, and are ready to slug it out for Harper. Those Conservatives that were active are pissed off and ready to avenge a loss. <BR/><BR/>On the Liberal side of things, they're exhausted. I doubt you'll find many Liberals in Ontario ready to fight another election, for obvious reasons. <BR/><BR/>Harper majority coming up soon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-49425045970257333712007-10-12T15:45:00.000-04:002007-10-12T15:45:00.000-04:00Frank Klees would be good except that wasn't he on...Frank Klees would be good except that wasn't he one of the brains behind faith-based funding? <BR/><BR/> I like Klees but I would prefer someone new....I don't know who, but I agree with clearing all the decks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-55732708198894759552007-10-12T15:43:00.000-04:002007-10-12T15:43:00.000-04:00rumour is that Dalton McGuinty will step down afte...rumour is that Dalton McGuinty will step down after 18 months and go after the federal Liberal nomination....bye, bye Dion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-61692486834640294712007-10-12T15:30:00.000-04:002007-10-12T15:30:00.000-04:00I said it before the election: Liberal gov'ts in Q...I said it before the election: Liberal gov'ts in Quebec and Ontario spell more Conservative votes for Ottawa. <BR/><BR/>I have to say, it could hardly be better for Stephen Harper right now. I'm doubly curious to see what will happen.Jacques Beau Verthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16450947780950412676noreply@blogger.com