tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post1981186444146951564..comments2007-02-11T09:11:37.306-05:00Joanne (True Blue)http://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-48677782091815544002007-02-11T09:18:00.000-05:002007-02-11T09:18:00.000-05:00Joanne, I have asked him to come out and play....<BR/>Next time we meet in social circles, I'll do the "gauche" thing and start debating him in public... <BR/>It will be quite the show - one euneuch-like Connie and a Bear debating over malaria....Cherniak_WTFhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14728609005288546058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-76021751415038419872007-02-08T09:42:00.000-05:002007-02-08T09:42:00.000-05:00CWTF - Why don't you go to his blog and ask him to come out to play?Joanne (True Blue)http://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-20417206959328088522007-02-08T09:36:00.000-05:002007-02-08T09:36:00.000-05:00Dr Roy.....<BR/>flatlined..........<BR/><BR/>I have the feeling that you wil not come back and play here on this subject (I won't).<BR/>I find it ironic that you hide behind a fail of "facts" when the examples that you cite are so misleading. The very point of view that you were trying to push, weakened by your own "sources". <BR/><BR/>How common is that to your thinking? I have a feeling that much of what you write is based on the most specious reasoning. I can only hope that in your professional life, you do much better.... <BR/>But given to how much marketing and false claims doctors are subjected to and the lack of intellectual integrity you have shown, I have the feeling that you are a right-wing marketers wet dream...Cherniak_WTFhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14728609005288546058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-46876639004185095802007-02-07T19:49:00.000-05:002007-02-07T19:49:00.000-05:00Dr. Roy is dealing with a code blue situation with this argument...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-76984337348862177422007-02-07T16:34:00.000-05:002007-02-07T16:34:00.000-05:00Paging Dr Roy....Cherniak_WTFhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14728609005288546058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-67607457273771777612007-02-07T09:16:00.000-05:002007-02-07T09:16:00.000-05:00Still no Dr Roy?Cherniak_WTFhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14728609005288546058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-41655302101410783272007-02-06T13:45:00.000-05:002007-02-06T13:45:00.000-05:00Paging Dr. Roy.....<br /><br />C'mon smart man, care to impress us with other links?<br /><br />If I were a lawyer, I'd say Dr. Roy is guilty of the shallow thinking he's trying to paint some with.... <br /><br />You know, my office is not far from yours - one day I'll invite you for a chat....Cherniak_WTFhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14728609005288546058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-46858616264465286392007-02-06T05:25:00.000-05:002007-02-06T05:25:00.000-05:00<i>Picture this:<br />Enviro-cops of the future, dressed in green heading over to China, by boat or plane whichever takes less fuel, walking around China in Birkenstocks, demanding a reduction in GHG..or else.</i><br /><br />lol! That is funny. The "or else" is the part that worries me though.<br /><br />Hey Dr. Roy & CWTF - Lighten up or I'm sending the Enviro-cops after you guys!!!Joanne (True Blue)http://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-17026663174167650672007-02-06T02:46:00.001-05:002007-02-06T02:46:00.001-05:00CWTF, nice work with exposing references from junkscience..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-27130141300465989692007-02-06T02:46:00.000-05:002007-02-06T02:46:00.000-05:00CWTF, nice work with exposing references from junkscience..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-74115190730498565072007-02-06T02:43:00.000-05:002007-02-06T02:43:00.000-05:00Is this the person who Dr. Roy is is making a reference from:<br /><br /><i>Although Milloy frequently represent himself as an expert on scientific matters, <b>he is not a scientist himself </b>. He holds a bachelor's degree in Natural Sciences, a law degree and a master's degree in biostatistics. <b>He has never published original research in peer-reviewed scientific journals</b>. <b>Moreover, he has made scientific claims himself that have no basis in actual research</b>.</i><br /><br />oh boy...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-55707252436387043082007-02-05T23:24:00.000-05:002007-02-05T23:24:00.000-05:00Now Dr Roy, how resistant are mosquitos to DDT? Are there alternatives?<br /><br />Maybe we should talk about the 'effing environment and it's effect on the cinchona tree -Cherniak_WTFhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14728609005288546058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-83771041779163845982007-02-05T23:21:00.000-05:002007-02-05T23:21:00.000-05:00I think Goldstein could have summed it up this way;<br />Ask a stupid question, you'll get a stupid answer.<br />You want to lighten up Joanne?<br />Picture this:<br /> Enviro-cops of the future, dressed in green heading over to China, by boat or plane whichever takes less fuel, walking around China in Birkenstocks, demanding a reduction in GHG..or else.<br />Sorry...just too funny!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-62091259774165795592007-02-05T23:16:00.000-05:002007-02-05T23:16:00.000-05:00Roy, you have the nerve to call yourself a doctor and man of science?<br />I'm about to order you to my office...<br /><br />What kind of person quotes from the website JunkScience.com? Do you even know who is behind that site?<br />--------------<br />From Sourcewatch<br />---------------<br /><br />JunkScience.com is a website maintained by Steven J. Milloy, an adjunct scholar the Cato Institute and the Competitive Enterprise Institute - right wing think tanks with long histories of denying environmental problems at the behest of the corporations which fund them. Milloy is also a columnist for FoxNews.com.<br /><br />Milloy defines "junk science" as "bad science used by lawsuit-happy trial lawyers, the 'food police,' environmental Chicken Littles, power-drunk regulators, and unethical-to-dishonest scientists to fuel specious lawsuits, wacky social and political agendas, and the quest for personal fame and fortune." He regularly attacks environmentalists and scientists who support environmentalism, claiming that dioxin, pesticides in foods, environmental lead, asbestos, secondhand tobacco smoke and global warming are all "scares" and "scams."<br /><br />Milloy's attacks are often notable for their vicious tone, which appears calculated to lower rather than elevate scientific discourse. That tone is noticeable, for example, in his extended attack on Our Stolen Future, the book about endocrine-disrupting chemicals by Theo Colborn, Dianne Dumanoski and Peter Myers. Milloy's on-line parody, titled "Our Swollen Future," includes a cartoon depiction of Colborn hauling a wheelbarrow of money to the bank [1] (her implied motive for writing the book), and refers to Dianne Dumanoski as "Dianne Dumb-as-an-oxski." [2]<br /><br />Prior to launching the JunkScience.com, Milloy worked for Jim Tozzi's Multinational Business Services, the Philip Morris tobacco company's primary lobbyist in Washington with respect to the issue of secondhand cigarette smoke. He subsequently went to work for The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition (TASSC), a Philip Morris front group created by the PR firm of APCO Worldwide. [3]<br /><br />Although Milloy frequently represent himself as an expert on scientific matters, he is not a scientist himself. He holds a bachelor's degree in Natural Sciences, a law degree and a master's degree in biostatistics. He has never published original research in peer-reviewed scientific journals. Moreover, he has made scientific claims himself that have no basis in actual research. Following the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, for example, he claimed that greater use of asbestos insulation in the World Trade Towers would have delayed their collapse "by up to four hours." In reality, there is no scientific basis for claiming that asbestos would have delayed their collapse by even a second, let alone four hours.[4].<br /><br />----------------------------<br /><br />So when you talk of science, I'd say that you need a major realignment....<br /><br />I'd suggest you go back to School (and I'm not saying for groundhog day - although the pizza was good - came from a greek place I believe)Cherniak_WTFhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14728609005288546058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-73690191987797486432007-02-05T18:46:00.000-05:002007-02-05T18:46:00.000-05:00read this anonymous.<br /><a href=http://www.junkscience.com/ddtfaq.html>ddt facts</a><br /> The case against DDT is weak.Roy Eappenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04797589638971623701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-12626612472384908162007-02-05T14:53:00.000-05:002007-02-05T14:53:00.000-05:00<i>If politicians don't want to answer questions of matters that their constituants find important then they never should have run for office in the first place.</i><br /><br />Most politicians don't run away from constituents. Reporters are not constituents. Anyway, you missed the nuance.<br /><br />BTW, regarding the One World Socialism remark, <a href="http://alsocanadian.blogspot.com/2007/02/global-warming-causes-ww3.html">this </a> is kinda funny.Joanne (True Blue)http://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-84386747246360259812007-02-05T13:55:00.000-05:002007-02-05T13:55:00.000-05:00Good Call Joanne and Goldstein.<br /><br />Canadians have no right to find out where their politicians stand on issues that they find important. If politicians don't want to answer questions of matters that their constituants find important then they never should have run for office in the first place.<br /><br />"One world environmental socialism is coming, folks."<br /><br />Brought to us by Jacques Chirac one of the most right-wing politicians. Even right-wingers can make sensible arguements on occassion.wayward sonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00522115648424678081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-69148774038315301922007-02-05T12:40:00.000-05:002007-02-05T12:40:00.000-05:00<i>If we can show China and India that we are seriouse about this problem, then they too will join.</i><br /><br />I'm glad you have this much faith in human nature. Considering that we just emerged from a century that included the Armenian genocide, the Holocaust, the killing fields of Cambodia, the Rawanda massacres, etc, I find it quite remarkable.Brian in Calgaryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11143445667558848000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-7337855427055084262007-02-05T12:00:00.000-05:002007-02-05T12:00:00.000-05:00<i>Global warming is a concept that applies to the AVERAGE increase (not day-to-day increase) in global temperatures around the world.</i><br /><br />Yep. I know that. Just trying to lighten things up a bit here.Joanne (True Blue)http://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-47414712960935846202007-02-05T11:59:00.000-05:002007-02-05T11:59:00.000-05:00<i>Global warming. It's minus 17 out there this morning. I could use some.</i><br /><br />Global warming is a concept that applies to the AVERAGE increase (not day-to-day increase) in global temperatures around the world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-86989889187580261782007-02-05T11:44:00.000-05:002007-02-05T11:44:00.000-05:00Joanne -- <i>Re: Global warming. It's minus 17 out there this morning. I could use some.</i> <br /><br />Clearly you are not serious about the issue. It's just another cudgel to beat Dion and the Liberals with. Pathetic.Red Toryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09151996480418819411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-68813510573672107712007-02-05T11:26:00.000-05:002007-02-05T11:26:00.000-05:006. The issue was the OVERUSE of DDT - without any regard for its repercussions. If its being re-introduced with some control -- it shouldn't be to big of a problem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-63007627348252900272007-02-05T11:23:00.000-05:002007-02-05T11:23:00.000-05:00Roy:<br /><br />1. DDT was not completely banned. It is still used in tropical regions for agricultural purposes and controlling malaria. (http://www.chem.duke.edu/~jds/cruise_chem/pest/pest1.html)<br /><br />2. Show me where the science I have been talking about has been refuted.<br /><br />3. Refering back to your links (and the Baltimore Sun - doesn't quite count as evidence...at least strong evidence).<br /><br />4.<i>The cost of your silly comments is the lives of 70 million children.</i> My comments did that...?<br /><br />5. Your arguments are lop sided and biased to begin with. Why haven't you mentioned biomagnification - and the accumulation of the fat-soluble DDT metabolite DDE in animals (THATS A FACT, not an opinion).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-29645036381746426002007-02-05T08:17:00.000-05:002007-02-05T08:17:00.000-05:00Rachel Carson was wrong. <a href=http://torydrroy.blogspot.com/2006/08/who-promotes-ddt-as-way-to-fight.html>The UN is advocating reinstitution of DDT.</a> Your comments are quoting junk science that has been refuted. The cost of your silly comments is the lives of <a href=http://torydrroy.blogspot.com/2006/09/ddt-ban-killed-millionsanyone.html>70 million children.</a><br /> The environmental movement likes to feel good but their wanton actions have been deadly. Suddenly they embrace this science when much of their previous assertions have proven false. Science evolves by research and empirical data, not just by consensus.Roy Eappenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04797589638971623701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-58294540383329951502007-02-05T05:32:00.000-05:002007-02-05T05:32:00.000-05:00Re: Global warming. It's minus 17 out there this morning. I could use some.Joanne (True Blue)http://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.com