tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post1939565469655655986..comments2023-10-19T06:24:41.808-04:00Comments on Joanne's Journey: Privacy issues surrounding the Lukiwski tapeJoanne (True Blue)http://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-23326955687800948412008-04-07T02:11:00.000-04:002008-04-07T02:11:00.000-04:00I never said someone can't change. I am suggesting...I never said someone can't change. I am suggesting that someone in their 40's who 16 years later has a voting pattern as recent as 2-3 years ago that shows a position of treating gays as second class hasn't changed<BR/><BR/>I do not hear the kinds of comments that were made by this "gentleman" all the time by "men". If I did I would consider it my duty to interrupt just as I would if someone used the n-word or other objectionable language. I am sorry that you know those kind of people and even sorry if you don't speak out.MissHaileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18206250943815464369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-11378545521432644072008-04-06T19:32:00.000-04:002008-04-06T19:32:00.000-04:00Miss Hailey - I totally disagree that one can't "c...Miss Hailey - I totally disagree that one can't "change" their perception. 60 years ago, black and white marriages were frowned on, 50 years ago if you got pregnant when you were a teenager you were sent to live with your aunt.<BR/><BR/>16 years ago, gay marriage was not even on the radar. Plus, it was a private party, they were drinking and hamming it up for the camera - plus, he seems to be answering a question - what was the question and who asked it. <BR/><BR/>For you to take the high and mighty route as if you HAVE NEVER said a derogatory thing against anyone, because, i would bet my last dollar that you have - we all have. <BR/><BR/>I hear comments like he made all the time from males - no matter how much you would like to have it the other way, we still live in a homophobic world.<BR/><BR/>But for you to say that his voting record somehow means that he meant what he said is ludicrous. Times change Miss Hailey and peoples view of the world changes as well. <BR/><BR/>We all need to take a look in the mirror before condeming what Tom L. said, because - whether you admit it or not - we have ALL been there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-85614462235148713362008-04-06T17:43:00.000-04:002008-04-06T17:43:00.000-04:00Pointing out other people's mistakes though does n...<I>Pointing out other people's mistakes though does nothing to address Mr. Lukiwski's.</I><BR/><BR/>It points out the hypocrisy of the opposition parties.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-10567899510996393312008-04-06T16:37:00.000-04:002008-04-06T16:37:00.000-04:00It's really not necessary to swear Alberta girl to...It's really not necessary to swear Alberta girl to make points. <BR/><BR/>I am actually a Mrs, married and a mom - but I am holding onto the miss as long as I can!<BR/><BR/>I agree that people can change their minds. I have been less hostile towards Mr. Wall who I believe was more youthful Mr. Lukiwski is, however, a man who was in his 40's at this time. He is also a woman that just 2-3 years ago spoke out in the House against gay people having the same rights as you and I. There is zero evidence that his mind has changed.<BR/><BR/>And, Joanne, I do not disagree that there are people across all parties that are unadmirable. I won't defend Mr. Wappel's record on gay rights or his comments. It's particularly groteque that he comments on gay marriage given his own lifestyle around marriage. It is also disappointing that Bill Saiksay wimped out. Not even the NDP has a good record on treating gay people as equal citizens. Pointing out other people's mistakes though does nothing to address Mr. Lukiwski's.MissHaileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18206250943815464369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-41774345166898551982008-04-06T14:04:00.000-04:002008-04-06T14:04:00.000-04:00His voting patterns continue to show hostility to ...<I>His voting patterns continue to show hostility to gay and lesbian rights - he just has learned to say things without such nasty barbs.</I><BR/><BR/>Miss Hailey, you might be interested in reading by a <A HREF="http://diogenesborealis.blogspot.com/2008/04/sauce-for-gander.html" REL="nofollow">this post</A> gay Blogging Tory colleague.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-29691575515879450052008-04-06T11:27:00.000-04:002008-04-06T11:27:00.000-04:00"And, Mobius, I really believe that we can evolve...."And, Mobius, I really believe that we can evolve. Brad Wall was a young man and he's got a little bit of a free ride on this. The other gentleman was in his 40's. It's also noteworthy that he hasn't done a political about face. His voting patterns continue to show hostility to gay and lesbian rights - he just has learned to say things without such nasty barbs. His views of gay and lesbians being second class citizens though remains and is reflected in his voting history."<BR/><BR/>BullS***, miss hailey<BR/><BR/>Given that you are "miss", I would assume that you are still young. Guess what, sweetie, times change and believe it or not, we CAN change our minds. <BR/><BR/>16 years ago, I firmly believed that Gays should not be "married". <BR/><BR/>16 years ago, I was 39 years old. <BR/><BR/>25 years ago I was a Liberal <BR/><BR/>My mind has changed. <BR/><BR/>And MissHailey - not surprisingly, so will yours.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-89949388116298190122008-04-06T11:06:00.000-04:002008-04-06T11:06:00.000-04:00I have no idea about the legal issues related to m...I have no idea about the legal issues related to making this video public. If it's illegal it shouldn't have happened. That being said I do not have one iota of sympathy for them. They were part of a milieu that had a theme of negative comments about gays, women, minorities, etc. They had the moral duty to speak up or remove themselves from that setting. People who are silent in the face of such behaviour are part of the problem. <BR/><BR/>And to excuse this behaviour because the workplace is "stressful" and they might be losing their job is ridiculous. People who have partisan based jobs are aware of the volatility of their employment. If they can't manage that without making hate-filled comments that's unfortunate. That they say things when their guard is let down is disturbing. I never knew that hate-filled comments were part of "relaxing". <BR/><BR/>These adults are also responsible for how much alcohol they consume. I believe that you are responsible for your words even when drunk.<BR/><BR/>And for those of you in the public who sat back and snickered as you watched the video, I hope you enjoyed your cheap, voyeuristic thrill -- and I hope it never happens to you.<BR/><BR/>The media should not be ashamed. The people who spoke these hateful words should be ashamed and so should the people who sat there and did nothing.<BR/><BR/>The private property issue is a red herring. People have a responsibility to remove the contents fully from a professional dwelling that they are occuping. That the conservatives didn't have the intelligence to pack their belongings and left such a tape for the NDP is remarkably shocking. It shows incompetence and a few loose screws.<BR/><BR/>And, Mobius, I really believe that we can evolve. Brad Wall was a young man and he's got a little bit of a free ride on this. The other gentleman was in his 40's. It's also noteworthy that he hasn't done a political about face. His voting patterns continue to show hostility to gay and lesbian rights - he just has learned to say things without such nasty barbs. His views of gay and lesbians being second class citizens though remains and is reflected in his voting history.<BR/><BR/>The people on this team - one and all- should be ashamed.MissHaileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18206250943815464369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-76552669395642285382008-04-06T07:25:00.000-04:002008-04-06T07:25:00.000-04:00I guess giggles and ollie don't want to hear from ...<I>I guess giggles and ollie don't want to hear from the masses unless as they have no contact email....sigh.</I><BR/><BR/>They still have to meet some kind of broadcasting standards.<BR/><BR/>Oh, wait. Paul at CJunk has contact info <A HREF="http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2008/04/robert-fife-bashes-knuckle-dragging.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-34034822748537964982008-04-06T00:03:00.000-04:002008-04-06T00:03:00.000-04:00"Send the emails anyway!"I guess giggles and ollie..."Send the emails anyway!"<BR/><BR/>I guess giggles and ollie don't want to hear from the masses unless as they have no contact email....sigh.<BR/><BR/>I guess that way, you can always plead igorance if you live in your press gallery bubble. <BR/><BR/>It would sure be interesting to have a tape running at one of their parties. I would bet "knuckledraggers" is the least of the things Conservatives are called. <BR/><BR/>Lets see - in the past two years, press bias has cost the following to take a hit to their careers. <BR/><BR/>Lawand<BR/>Erickson<BR/>Aiken<BR/>and hopefully Fife <BR/><BR/>any more?? <BR/><BR/>I love blogs and the internet - now they have to face that their are people watching and are willing to call them on their biased reporting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-61487621803175384132008-04-05T20:58:00.000-04:002008-04-05T20:58:00.000-04:00Don't forget to check out Richard's blog. This guy...Don't forget to check out <A HREF="http://www.no-libs.com/index.php/MyBlog/The-Biased-Media/Robert-Fife-Ottawa-Bureau-Chief-CTV.html" REL="nofollow">Richard's</A> blog. This guy is amazing.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-47583977482979867842008-04-05T20:29:00.000-04:002008-04-05T20:29:00.000-04:00Or maybe evolution only applies to lefties....Exac...<I>Or maybe evolution only applies to lefties....</I><BR/><BR/>Exactly. We've got to stop giving everyone else (except us) a free pass.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-87750498488335778202008-04-05T20:19:00.001-04:002008-04-05T20:19:00.001-04:00I seem to remember Bob Rae making some comments du...I seem to remember Bob Rae making some comments during the leadership race about how his views on economic policy had undergone a radical change since his time as Ontario Premier, and that was part of his rationale for switching to the Liberal Party. I can't unfortunately remember the details, but I think it may have been along the lines that he no longer supported the concept of deficit financing.<BR/><BR/>Since he was 42 when he became Premier, and 47 when he got dumped, I guess that would indicate some evolution in his thinking after the magic age of <BR/>40.<BR/><BR/>Or maybe evolution only applies to lefties....jadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01331047500633307554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-16883905506913711592008-04-05T20:19:00.000-04:002008-04-05T20:19:00.000-04:00If it is live, perhaps we call send her e-mails wi...<I>If it is live, perhaps we call send her e-mails with Bob Fife's knuckldragger comment, or some of the comments such as Tony over at Tony's viewpoint has come up with regarding homophobic remarks Liberals have made much more recently than 16 years ago.</I><BR/><BR/>Send the emails anyway! Also, check out <A HREF="http://torydrroy.blogspot.com/2008/04/robert-fife-needs-to-be-fired.html" REL="nofollow">Dr. Roy</A>.<BR/><BR/>We've got to jump on this kind of bigotry before it's too late. The pendulum needs to swing back towards the middle.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-12904882153180705372008-04-05T19:48:00.000-04:002008-04-05T19:48:00.000-04:00If we don't evolve over our lifetime, then what's ...<I>If we don't evolve over our lifetime, then what's the point?</I><BR/><BR/>That's true.<BR/><BR/>I don't buy into this notion that whatever you are thinking at 40 is set for life.<BR/><BR/>It doesn't apply in the cases of anyone I know.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-82918624189870172862008-04-05T19:32:00.000-04:002008-04-05T19:32:00.000-04:00If you're being videotaped, you might want to watc...If you're being videotaped, you might want to watch what you say. Even in the context of the era, it was pretty stupid.<BR/><BR/>I do believe he regrets it, and from personal experience, I also believe people can change their opinions on this over time.<BR/><BR/>If we don't evolve over our lifetime, then what's the point?Möbiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11851148006420274055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-51805351899772032472008-04-05T19:13:00.000-04:002008-04-05T19:13:00.000-04:00Thanks, Murray! I didn't know that about the Dippe...Thanks, Murray! I didn't know that about the Dippers.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-28669068443641234482008-04-05T18:29:00.001-04:002008-04-05T18:29:00.001-04:00Joanne (True Blue),I just want to comment on your ...Joanne (True Blue),<BR/><BR/>I just want to comment on your earlier distinction between the federal NDP and the provincial NDP.<BR/><BR/>The fact is that there is no difference between these. NDP might be elected to the different levels of government, or employed by them. However, the party itself makes no distinction: a membership purchased in the provincial wing of the NDP automatically confers membership in the federal wing.<BR/><BR/>Members of the party anywhere in the country need to be aware that when the NDP pulls such shenanigans in Saskatchewan, it is their party doing so, not some distant and unconnected organization.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-15124503320147448162008-04-05T18:29:00.000-04:002008-04-05T18:29:00.000-04:00"I wish we could stop Jane Giggles from using this..."I wish we could stop Jane Giggles from using this story again tomorrow on Question Period. <BR/>She already said it would be one of their topics when she was on MDL."<BR/><BR/>Is Q.P. done live - or taped?<BR/><BR/>If it is live, perhaps we call send her e-mails with Bob Fife's knuckldragger comment, or some of the comments such as Tony over at Tony's viewpoint has come up with regarding homophobic remarks Liberals have made much more recently than 16 years ago. <BR/><BR/>It would be interesting to see if she used them. If she doesn't - then we can point out to her and to the CTV brass how biased and unbalanced she is. <BR/><BR/>It would be an interesting exercise. <BR/><BR/>Mike Duffy should definitely be made aware of the comments made by Liberals, since we are all airing dirty laundry these days. <BR/><BR/>After all - fair IS fair.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-54569050873502225412008-04-05T18:26:00.000-04:002008-04-05T18:26:00.000-04:00Great post Joanee..Man how times have changed.Did ...Great post Joanee..<BR/><BR/>Man how times have changed.<BR/><BR/>Did you see what they where wearing and how there hair was done? <BR/><BR/>Thank god I was just an 11 year old skateboarder at the time....<BR/><BR/>On second thought, I dressed pretty goffy then too.<BR/><BR/>PS: I still skateboard:)<BR/><BR/>27 and still skating. But hey 30 is the new 20 right.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-7993198647825718012008-04-05T12:15:00.000-04:002008-04-05T12:15:00.000-04:00Good post, Joanne.I wish we could stop Jane Giggle...Good post, Joanne.<BR/>I wish we could stop Jane Giggles from using this story again tomorrow on Question Period. <BR/>She already said it would be one of their topics when she was on MDL.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-25893683523726594202008-04-05T11:03:00.000-04:002008-04-05T11:03:00.000-04:00Yup. I think they should take it up with the Priva...Yup. I think they should take it up with the Privacy czars.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-49411809937943945022008-04-05T10:58:00.000-04:002008-04-05T10:58:00.000-04:00I know that if I was one of those young women in t...I know that if I was one of those young women in the tape, I'd be seeking advice on my privacy rights.<BR/>Where was the public interest here?<BR/><BR/>'Reality tv' without expressed permission...wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03589410224972050999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-69076266249459634142008-04-05T10:55:00.000-04:002008-04-05T10:55:00.000-04:00You're right, Joanne, so does that mean both the N...You're right, Joanne, so does that mean both the NDP and the liberals have kept private property belonging to others?<BR/><BR/>I remeber seeing tape of the liberals walking the sidewalks with boxes of other peoples private property. <BR/><BR/>Funny, I don't remember the NDP parading around with the private propery they commandeered. <BR/><BR/>The NDP must have quietly confiscated the private property of others.analyse thishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16978771981289526525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-54661200589306632012008-04-05T10:52:00.000-04:002008-04-05T10:52:00.000-04:00Like I've said a few times...how many Libs and Dip...Like I've said a few times...how many Libs and Dippers are tossing in their beds wondering how many of their parties were 'taped'?<BR/>The biggest hypocrites are those politicians that are feinging outrage, and have mouthed off at many parties too.<BR/>Like Lyle points out...they want us to believe they are perfect saints.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-64587013240857708102008-04-05T10:33:00.000-04:002008-04-05T10:33:00.000-04:00I believe the liberals acquired this tape by comma...<I>I believe the liberals acquired this tape by commandeering private property inadvertently left in an office. </I><BR/><BR/>Actually, I think it was the provincial NDP party, but the federal NDP and Liberal parties were quick on the uptake!Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.com