tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post1276427234900625694..comments2023-10-19T06:24:41.808-04:00Comments on Joanne's Journey: Red Tory - Purveyor of Untruths, misinformation and sloppy journalism - Apology acceptedJoanne (True Blue)http://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comBlogger88125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-70931724165349379442007-11-26T20:30:00.000-05:002007-11-26T20:30:00.000-05:00Which ones? I know he has a Conservative bias, but...<I>Which ones? I know he has a Conservative bias, but I haven't read anything worse than what you see in the Star from the other side.</I><BR/><BR/>Chantal Hebert is the only good reason to read the Star. Luckily, most of her columns are available on-line.Möbiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11851148006420274055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-8105518787195835212007-11-26T20:23:00.000-05:002007-11-26T20:23:00.000-05:00I've apparently now been banned by Cherniak, for r...I've apparently now been banned by Cherniak, for rebutting his silly blaming of PC's and separatists for the Sponsorship scandal (Chretien said so!). Apparently, folks, the Libs had nothing to do with it. I even used clean language in my 2 deleted posts.<BR/><BR/>I love Liberals like him. Always worth an extra few votes. Dion deserves better.<BR/><BR/>RT, I know how you feel.Möbiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11851148006420274055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-68733812875910455402007-11-25T13:50:00.000-05:002007-11-25T13:50:00.000-05:00I find his latest assaults to be completely mislea...<I>I find his latest assaults to be completely misleading to the point of libel.</I><BR/><BR/>Which ones? I know he has a Conservative bias, but I haven't read anything worse than what you see in the Star from the other side.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-21104561938367356542007-11-25T11:48:00.000-05:002007-11-25T11:48:00.000-05:00What exactly is going on there? I've been hearing ...What exactly is going on there? I've been hearing all sorts of rumours today from all sides.<BR/>------------<BR/>Depends what/who you will want to believe.<BR/><BR/>L. IAN MACDONALD a Conservative supporter and in particular a Mulroney fan is also a columnist and frequent commentator. <BR/><BR/>Since the Mulroney-Schreiber affair he's been rather active defending his old pal. Some in the Montreal media (Dennis Trudeau, and other more right-wing) have let it known that it seems that Mr. MacDonald seems to be taking it rather personally.<BR/>-----<BR/><BR/><BR/>I understand that he's a columnist, so it does not have to be fair. As a "columnist" he's always been pro-conservative. I find his latest assaults to be completely misleading to the point of libel.<BR/>He's a disgusting apologist who is elevating Mulroney while insulting all other parties. <BR/>He's making some fright-wing moonbats sound perfectly sane.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-12871362155722426882007-11-24T21:25:00.000-05:002007-11-24T21:25:00.000-05:00L. Ian Macdonald - Urgent - even some of the Conni...<I>L. Ian Macdonald - Urgent - even some of the Connie media is saying he's going too far and making it personal. Macdonald is a Mulroney apologist of the highest order.</I><BR/><BR/>What exactly is going on there? I've been hearing all sorts of rumours today from all sides.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-4894395735949234492007-11-24T21:24:00.000-05:002007-11-24T21:24:00.000-05:00It is Joanne's choice whether she feels like comme...<I>It is Joanne's choice whether she feels like commenting or not. It is not required that she respond to anything someone else said. Her not doing so is hardly indicative of anything. </I><BR/><BR/>Exactly. It's still a free country last time I checked.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-38309923891808606422007-11-24T20:28:00.000-05:002007-11-24T20:28:00.000-05:00his band of slimy miscreants.-------------So much ...his band of slimy miscreants.<BR/>-------------<BR/>So much for dialogue, right JJ?<BR/><BR/>I'm amazed to see criticism coming from the man-boy Dr. Roy.... and quite the ego there. <BR/>For your information, Dr Roy, I've been able to debate JJ on her blog. The ground rules are pretty simple - no swearing.<BR/>As for Red Tory's more colourful language, that's his prerogative, no?<BR/><BR/><BR/>L. Ian Macdonald - Urgent - even some of the Connie media is saying he's going too far and making it personal. Macdonald is a Mulroney apologist of the highest order. His soapbox in the Gazette is a reason I no longer subscribe to it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-687583643015862092007-11-24T19:09:00.000-05:002007-11-24T19:09:00.000-05:00It is certainly better than the other "joanne"'s c...<I><B>It is certainly better than the other "joanne"'s comments sliding by with nary a rebuke. Which is why you were asked what you think of those statements. And you have not responded, except to claim the apology for a trivial error is "insufficient".</I></B><BR/><BR/>LS, Joanne is not a spokesman for anyone with an extreme opinion that happens to be named (at the very least with an online moniker) "Joanne". Its like asking you to comment on any extreme statement attributed to someone with "Liberal" or "Supporter" in their name.<BR/><BR/>It is Joanne's choice whether she feels like commenting or not. It is not <I>required</I> that she respond to anything someone else said. Her not doing so is hardly indicative of anything. <BR/><BR/>You may say its "trivial", however, it is obviously not when you guys panned such statements for being so extreme and attributing them to Joanne. Next time RT better make certain of what he is saying and who he is saying it about before he opens his yap. The next time he may find that he might have to say more than a simple "sorry".Kai_Wolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10384866034946359834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-57012654599364808952007-11-24T18:52:00.000-05:002007-11-24T18:52:00.000-05:00I will say this - if Red Tory was more civil, if h...<I>I will say this - if Red Tory was more civil, if he was less abrasive, if his commenters were predominantly as such as well - perhaps he could be the influential blogger you believe him to be.</I><BR/><BR/>He is actually pretty civil, for the most part. He doesn't have a lot of control of the maroons that comment on his site.k<BR/><BR/>I'm a bit surprised to see the "if anyone were offended, I apologize" type of apology from him.Möbiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11851148006420274055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-81028205957162641532007-11-24T18:33:00.000-05:002007-11-24T18:33:00.000-05:00But its not just Liberals that do this. I avoid al...<I>But its not just Liberals that do this. I avoid all but a select few blogs in general (yours being one) because I can't stand most of the bloggers.</I><BR/><BR/>RT's blog has some good discussions occasionally. Best to ignore the a-holes, though.Möbiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11851148006420274055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-90341472846703646712007-11-24T18:29:00.000-05:002007-11-24T18:29:00.000-05:00I did apologize as soon as I saw your comment and ...<I>I did apologize as soon as I saw your comment and made a correction to the posting. I would have done so sooner than late this evening, but was away from the computer. <BR/><BR/>Look on the bright side. It gives you yet another opportunity to be righteously indignant and your</I><BR/><BR/>Nice half-apology, RT. It's all your fault, Joanne, for hosting those miscreant Cons........<BR/><BR/>Why is it so hard to just say "I screwed up, and I'm sorry for it"?Möbiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11851148006420274055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-77227546136371119342007-11-24T18:27:00.000-05:002007-11-24T18:27:00.000-05:00Liberal Supporter - That's the biggest problem wit...Liberal Supporter - That's the biggest problem with a lot of you folks on Red Tory's site. <BR/><BR/><I>Unbelievable</I> degrees of arrogance, and delusions of grandieur, reflected in bizarre conspiracy theories. Why would CPC be worried about Red Tory's site?<BR/><BR/>Red Tory, to the best on my knowledge, has never been mentioned on the actual mainstream media in Canada. Jason Cherniak and Stephen Taylor have. If the CPC wanted to hurt any Liberal blogger who's not an actual politician, it would hence be Cherniak... not Red Tory. <BR/><BR/>You folks really do live in a dreamworld. <BR/><BR/>Do you think that you're average, everyday voting Canadian is influenced by the harshest, most vicious diatribes and insult-fests you can find on the internet? <BR/><BR/>The rhetoric on Red Tory's blog is typically so over the top that only the most diehard of Liberals/haters of the Conservatives, would be interested in it at all. Those folks already have decided not to vote Conservative, obviously<BR/><BR/>No moderate - no swing voter - is going to be swayed by such rabid dog viciousness, and lack of civility. <BR/><BR/>I will say this - if Red Tory was more civil, if he was less abrasive, if his commenters were predominantly as such as well - perhaps he could be the influential blogger you believe him to be.<BR/><BR/>Your average Canadian voter doesn't want to read one-sided bile and wrath. Red Tory, if anything, is like the infamous "guns in our cities" ad ran in the last federal election. IOW, so over-the-top that nobody will be swayed by it... except, perhaps, against the originators of the bile and wrath. <BR/><BR/>Start acting like decent human beings who have at least a modicum of respect for others, and with egos that are sensibly sized, or the politically valid points you have to make will frequently fall on deaf ears... deaf from the excruciating decibel level of your ad hominem attacks, and partisanship.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-46155791523105982132007-11-24T18:01:00.000-05:002007-11-24T18:01:00.000-05:00Good choice, Joanne.While RT is a very good writer...Good choice, Joanne.<BR/><BR/>While RT is a very good writer, there was always a snigling Beavus-and-Buthead-itude from him and his buds when confronted by a contrary opinion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-26920711409635787962007-11-24T17:10:00.000-05:002007-11-24T17:10:00.000-05:00Actually, yes. I have indeed received some death t...<I>Actually, yes. I have indeed received some death threats. Not many, mind you, but it is unnerving just the same.</I><BR/><BR/>I don't understand that mentality. it's only <I>blogging</I> for Pete's sake, something we don't even make money on, and all we really get is human interaction and feedback on issues and politics of interest to us.<BR/><BR/>We make zero difference on policy and politics in <I>the real world</I>, so why should we take ourselves so seriously?Raphael Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14635417096024081504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-31134583861593873602007-11-24T16:19:00.000-05:002007-11-24T16:19:00.000-05:00We have had people wishing him dead. We have had p...<I>We have had people wishing him dead. We have had people threatening violence. Do you have to deal with that? Nobody should have to. But RT is being forced to. Simply because of his political views. Are you being persecuted for your political views?</I><BR/><BR/>Actually, yes. I have indeed received some death threats. Not many, mind you, but it is unnerving just the same.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-42613993347683950842007-11-24T16:12:00.000-05:002007-11-24T16:12:00.000-05:00what a bunch of bs.you know, if someone calls a fe...what a bunch of bs.<BR/><BR/>you know, if someone calls a female a name (such as belinda = dog), you are all up in arms over such a slight.<BR/><BR/>However, if the female happens to be right leaning, such as Deb Gray, Joanne, or Kate, it's perfectly justified to call them a slab of bacon, a *unt, or attribute slurs to us that were not ours. And then you have the audacity to tell us we are over-reacting? This from the same group of people who applauded the 2 week investigation and coverage of belinda's dog-gate.....<BR/><BR/>LS, again, all i'm hearing is blah, blah, blah....justification, excuses, technicalities, blah blah blah...<BR/><BR/>So, who made you judge and jury to say that what joanne said was not outside the realm of possibility for this joanne? And even if it was (which I think it was not), how does that make it any more acceptable that RT attributed those words to someone without even checking? And how does it make it any more acceptable to do so, just because you think the comment was "very much in the range for some of your other commenters"?<BR/><BR/>I think the fact that RT has apologized (in his unique way) tells you that he did in fact attribute those words to *this* joanne. Again, your technicality (no links, etc) does not make it any more acceptable.<BR/><BR/>And why should Joanne get into this discussion? Obviously she was not a part of it at SDA. All you and RT want to do is have her say something, anything that you can use to justify the wrongful attribution and say "See? I was right after all!" It has nothing to do with a sane discussion of a topic. <BR/><BR/>As for your view that we all want to silence RT, speaking for myself, I have no such interest in doing that. He has a right to say what he wants. He is very good with the written word, and although I hardly ever agree with his views, he does have a right to them. As for death threats, I'm sure this happens on both sides of the political fence- and it is appaling in any instance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-80224346789487463612007-11-24T16:08:00.000-05:002007-11-24T16:08:00.000-05:00LS has never been a very deep thorn in your side.T...<I>LS has never been a very deep thorn in your side.</I><BR/><BR/>That's true. More like a little pin prick. ;)<BR/><BR/>O.K. I'll let them through but the date stamp will make them show up earlier than this of course.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-32907443052961451782007-11-24T15:59:00.000-05:002007-11-24T15:59:00.000-05:00Well, I'd like to read them. As you've pointed out...Well, I'd like to read them. As you've pointed out before, LS has never been a very deep thorn in your side.Omarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12058734544373976550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-29442638117196270942007-11-24T15:52:00.000-05:002007-11-24T15:52:00.000-05:00Mmmm.... Liberal Supporter has left a few more co...Mmmm.... Liberal Supporter has left a few more comments. Shall I let them through, gang?<BR/><BR/>Or shall I deep-six them?Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-41686275474099628572007-11-24T15:35:00.000-05:002007-11-24T15:35:00.000-05:00I've been to hell and back. I'll stay here, thanks...<I>I've been to hell and back. I'll stay here, thanks</I><BR/><BR/>Sorry to hear you had a bad time.<BR/><BR/>Have a nice day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-3124959415853164272007-11-24T15:30:00.000-05:002007-11-24T15:30:00.000-05:00If Joanne were Warren Kinsella you and I both know...<I>If Joanne were Warren Kinsella you and I both know what would be happening today...don't we? </I><BR/><BR/>What would be happening anon? Especially if the post mentioned simply a first name?<BR/><BR/>I'll tell you what. Warren would be laughing and making fun of whoever insulted him. He's an adult.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-11102672942105887262007-11-24T15:26:00.000-05:002007-11-24T15:26:00.000-05:00Um LS - I have absolutely no doubt that the person...<I>Um LS - I have absolutely no doubt that the person "impersonating" me was not someone wishing to discredit RT but rather one of his "flock" - most likely the likes of Ti-Guy -as he has been wont to use all manner of degrading adjectives to call out anyone who does not fall at the feet of RT</I><BR/><BR/>That's part of the real problem. You have "absolutely no doubt". Based on what? Absolutely nothing but your own biases. I recall that incident. "biff" was around at the time, too. Why is he not in the list of suspects? <BR/><BR/>You can sneer at my "conspriacy theories", but of course I clearly pointed out that it is unlikely as well. I don't claim these as "absolutely no doubt". I just see a pattern of repeated abuse, sock puppeting, and claims that "this time, RT is thoroughly discredited". <BR/><BR/>What would be <I>your</I> theory on this? Or do you think the trolls there are no big deal?<BR/><BR/><I>I would ask is there someplace in the post that claims this is not Joanne TB?</I><BR/><BR/>He was mistaken, obviously. And he retracted and apologized as soon as he was aware of it.<BR/><BR/>But you could only infer it is joanne (true blue) if you knew their history. Reading just that post you would not know, and there was no link that would take you here.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Florence said: <I>glad you are done with RED (LIBERAL he attended Liberal convention I don't believe his first choice was Dion) TORY</I><BR/><BR/>Why do you claim that Red Tory attended the Liberal convention? Why do you claim his first choice was not Dion?<BR/><BR/>Please retract and apologize, or cite evidence. I don't believe that to be true. Your second statement could be construed as opinion. I believe your first one is simply wrong.<BR/><BR/>You aren't talking about some other blogger called Red Tory, are you? You aren't referring to some other Liberal convention besides the leadership convention last December, are you?<BR/><BR/>Retract and apologize. RT did when called on a misidentification. Will you now do the same for these incorrect statements?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-11405127326014921752007-11-24T15:17:00.000-05:002007-11-24T15:17:00.000-05:00Why do you continue to sidestep a very simple ques...<I>Why do you continue to sidestep a very simple question?</I><BR/><BR/>Because I'm not going to let myself get suckered in again.<BR/><BR/>I've been to hell and back. I'll stay here, thanks.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-48431492948828247462007-11-24T15:14:00.000-05:002007-11-24T15:14:00.000-05:00*you can judge a man by the company he keeps..."Th...*<BR/>you can judge a man by the company he keeps...<BR/><BR/><I>"The fact that most of you don’t have a fraction of the wit, acumen and political savvy that CC has, explains volumes about the tiresome moping of this dreary circle jerk."</I><BR/><BR/><B>Posted by Red Tory to halls of macadamia at 7:54 AM, September 06, 2007</B><BR/><BR/>That's Red Tory's <A HREF="http://hallsofmacadamia.blogspot.com/2007/09/believe-it-or-not.html" REL="nofollow"><I><B>true colours</I></B></A>.<BR/><BR/>*Neo Conservativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15899199108142365216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-38994851463471515462007-11-24T15:12:00.000-05:002007-11-24T15:12:00.000-05:00RT - "Look on the brightside. It give s you yet an...RT - "Look on the brightside. It give s you yet another opportunity to be righteously indignant and your fellow travellers to ventilate their utter contempt and loathing for yours truly."<BR/><BR/>actually no so "Red" - I feel the same way about you as I would any blogger who posted something unchecked and attributed it to another blogger. If Joanne were Warren Kinsella you and I both know what would be happening today...don't we? <BR/><BR/>Your entitlement to make such errors simply makes you closer to the party entitled to their entitlements that you'd care to admit. <BR/><BR/>However I'm inclined, as someone has already mentioned that you're a Liberal in Red Tory clothing.<BR/><BR/>"utter contempt and loathing"<BR/><BR/> don't flatter yourself. <BR/><BR/> Joanne has let you off easier than Kinsella would. Is he your hero too?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com