tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post1203658416221592888..comments2023-10-19T06:24:41.808-04:00Comments on Joanne's Journey: Griberal DealJoanne (True Blue)http://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-52005603441563876082007-04-16T08:17:00.000-04:002007-04-16T08:17:00.000-04:00Tony, thanks for those links, BTW. Very interestin...Tony, thanks for those links, BTW. Very interesting to witness the Liberal party's so-called unity begin to disintegrate once again.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-52716535629340962052007-04-15T07:19:00.000-04:002007-04-15T07:19:00.000-04:00Sorry, Tony. I'm moderating this from a remote loc...Sorry, Tony. I'm moderating this from a remote location, and ironically just allowed your first comment when the second one popped up right after. What a coincidence.<BR/><BR/>I feel very much out of the loop right now. It's amazing how a day or two away from the news gets you so far behind. I only had a chance to read the Post yesterday, which BTW, had some awesome letters to the editor on this subject. ;)Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-24856164390642256462007-04-15T07:12:00.000-04:002007-04-15T07:12:00.000-04:00What is really amazing is that Dion, who is always...What is really amazing is that Dion, who is always accusing Prime Minister, of being an "control-freak" went ahead and overruled 6 of his Liberal MPs from Nova Scotia and 5 Nova Scotia Liberal senators, who opposed the deal.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2007/04/13/4004105-cp.html" REL="nofollow">Liberals mixed on pact</A><BR/><BR/><B><I>Insiders said all six Liberal MPs and five senators from Nova Scotia initially opposed signing a non-aggression pact with May. But they were over-ruled by Dion who informed them Thursday evening of his decision.</I></B><BR/><BR/><BR/>If this is true, it is another instance that demonstrates Stephane Dion's poor leadership and adds another nail in Stephane Dion's cofin. When you have former communications director, Ray Heard, publically saying that he would support Stephane Dion's removal as leader of the Liberal Party, you know that there is a lot of turmoil and division in that party.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.thestar.com/News/article/203059" REL="nofollow">Liberals angry at Dion's deal to help Greens</A><BR/><BR/>"Ray Heard, former communications director to Liberal prime minister John Turner, was one of the few to publicly express his anger with Dion, saying he would support party members who believe Dion should be forced out."<BR/>...<BR/><B><I>Both (Liberal MPs) Michael Ignatieff and Bob Rae are eminently qualified to succeed him before the next election and I cannot fault their supporters for plotting to dump him before it's too late.</I></B>Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07309457207397302731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-68252578210922848752007-04-15T06:41:00.000-04:002007-04-15T06:41:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07309457207397302731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-31401414054192791782007-04-14T09:45:00.000-04:002007-04-14T09:45:00.000-04:00Dion, and then Scott Reid on Duffy yesterday denie...Dion, and then Scott Reid on Duffy yesterday denied that this was a "backroom deal".<BR/><BR/> Well apparently Garth Turner has just admitted it was, and also that Dion lied to Canadians.This is from his blog today.<BR/><BR/>"On the way there, of course, I listened to reaction to the day’s big political announcement of the marriage of convenience between Stephane Dion and Elizabeth May. As you might imagine, I’d known about this for a while, and had mixed feelings about Dion’s decision not to run a candidate against May in her ballsy move to unhorse Peter Mackay"<BR/><BR/> It was not that long ago Dion stated on Duffy and Newman that they were not talking about any type of deal such as the one announced Thursday. Soooo?<BR/><BR/> And if Garth Turner knew about it for awhile it is in fact a backroom deal, no?paulsstuffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01813949388254801232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-53076952034721839622007-04-14T00:52:00.000-04:002007-04-14T00:52:00.000-04:00I think the main aspect of this deal has been over...I think the main aspect of this deal has been overlooked. May has agreed not to run a candidate against Dion. He was just looking to protect himself.<BR/><BR/>If I were in Central Nova, or if any party tried to do this in my riding, I would work my a$$ off to try and get their opponent elected. NOBODY takes my vote for granted and NOBODY tells me how to vote. Mess with my democracy and you're messing with my freedom.<BR/><BR/>Maybe Dion should make that kind of a deal in all the ridings and then he wouldn't have to worry about being a loser after the next election. He could truthfully say that none of the Liberal candidates who ran, lost. He would have a 100% success rate as a leader.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-66845349616823723932007-04-13T20:08:00.000-04:002007-04-13T20:08:00.000-04:00Liz is just like Garth... both pigs at the trough ...Liz is just like Garth... both pigs at the trough doing what they can to make sure they get the best scraps.<BR/><BR/>People who have been working all their lives to be a candidate are being stepped on by the likes of this ilk.<BR/><BR/>Its getting pathetic beyond belief now.<BR/><BR/>So here they go...run to the trough Garth and Betty Greenpants.......<BR/><BR/>SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-WWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERepoCreepohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01526104916008249261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-37642842976286353562007-04-13T18:23:00.000-04:002007-04-13T18:23:00.000-04:00"Again, I like this. I see this as a ballsy move. ..."Again, I like this. I see this as a ballsy move. Some party hacks may bristle and say stuff like "this is not the way we do politics in Canada", or cry "unfair!", but I'm willing to bet this will go over well with voters. <BR/>"<BR/><BR/> I think you are confused. Its Dion who likes to say that is unfair:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-52063534973594544362007-04-13T17:44:00.000-04:002007-04-13T17:44:00.000-04:00Folks, when Bob Fife is lambasting Dion and callin...Folks, when Bob Fife is lambasting Dion and calling it a bad move, clearly the Liberals have done something really dumb.<BR/><BR/>I like Dirk's idea that it's about "optics." The optics of Dion endorsing the leader of the Green Party the day after a candidate for her party proclaimed his joy for what happened on 9/11 are surely wonderful optics that will do a world of good for Liberal fortunes. /sarcasmRGMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03094054083065645879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-87197507134438298612007-04-13T16:06:00.000-04:002007-04-13T16:06:00.000-04:00I'm willing to bet this will go over well with vot...<I>I'm willing to bet this will go over well with voters.</I><BR/><BR/>Certainly not if you're a voter in that riding that only votes Liberal, those that intended to vote Liberal this time, or vote for them again. Now they don't even have that choice.<BR/><BR/>Ballsy doesn't always mean smart.Kai_Wolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10384866034946359834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-76184116096308709332007-04-13T15:01:00.000-04:002007-04-13T15:01:00.000-04:00The days of a two or three party system in Canada ...The days of a two or three party system in Canada are over, at least for the moment. Coalition building efforts like this are the norm in democracies where multiple parties are capable of capturing significant portions of the vote.<BR/><BR/>Again, I like this. I see this as a ballsy move. Some party hacks may bristle and say stuff like "this is not the way we do politics in Canada", or cry "unfair!", but I'm willing to bet this will go over well with voters.Dirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01250675582313975104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-64217074743989253262007-04-13T14:02:00.000-04:002007-04-13T14:02:00.000-04:00That agreement is going to hurt the Liberals, as m...That agreement is going to hurt the Liberals, as many of its supporters are miffed and appalled at the Dion/May deal. <BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.thechronicleherald.ca/NovaScotia/637041.html" REL="nofollow">Dion 'off his rocker' to consider Central Nova abstention</A><BR/><BR/><BR/>Looking at the numbers from the 2006 elections:<BR/><BR/>Tories - 2006: 17,134<BR/>Liberals - 2006: 10,349<BR/>NDP - 2006: 13,861 <BR/>Green - 2006: 671<BR/><BR/>So if all the Liberal support goes to the Greens, which is impossible, they will still be approximately 7000 votes behind. The NDPs are outraged at the deal, so it is hardly likely that they will support May, so no matter which way you slice it, the progressive vote will still be split.<BR/><BR/>There is no way Stephane Dion or Elizabeth May will come out looking good from this deal. It would have been far better for Elizabeth May to resign from the Green Party, join the Liberals and run for that party. Now if she loses, she will be finished.Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07309457207397302731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-85302962030396955852007-04-13T13:19:00.000-04:002007-04-13T13:19:00.000-04:00Tango Juliette sez:Steffi DeYawnne: Putative leade...Tango Juliette sez:<BR/><BR/>Steffi DeYawnne: Putative leader of the Liberal Party of SOME of Canada. Oficcically on itès way to becoming a Rump party.<BR/><BR/>What patently flaky hacks. <BR/><BR/>The Libs first did something like this in the forties. I{n Alberta. To unseat an MD, Coservative. The First Ukrainian elected the parliament. <BR/><BR/>The Libs ran a Liberal, AND a communist. The commie helped split the Ukie vote. The Lib flake, also a Ukie, got in. We should get thousands of volunteers into the riding, have May buried. Do the same in DeYawnneès riding. Back someone whoèll kick his ass. Maybe to only Bloc to get sent to Ottawa, next time round. I could livbe with that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-491594863998214972007-04-13T13:18:00.000-04:002007-04-13T13:18:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07309457207397302731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-46318515345936741712007-04-13T12:32:00.000-04:002007-04-13T12:32:00.000-04:00Well, it's official now.Well, it's <A HREF="http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070413/Liberals_May_070413/20070413?hub=TopStories" REL="nofollow">official </A> now.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-85696036131467704672007-04-13T12:21:00.000-04:002007-04-13T12:21:00.000-04:00I guess the grass roots 308 riding strategy the Li...I guess the grass roots 308 riding strategy the Liberals were talking about at their convention is now out. Maybe Dion missed that part while he was making another backroom deal with Kennedy. Dion again looks confused, but what is even worse is how May is handling this.<BR/><BR/>May is supporting Dion for PM? Kind of strange for a leader of a political party to endorse another party leader isn't it? The Green Party was formed during the decade of darkness of Liberal rule in this country, and now their new leader thinks the Liberals are the solution. Why have a Green Party at all then Liz? The grass roots greens are sure not going to like this.<BR/><BR/> <BR/><BR/>AlArdvarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08500944437649023719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-42621207764592990842007-04-13T12:19:00.000-04:002007-04-13T12:19:00.000-04:00English, unfair ... let's not split hairs, eh?English, unfair ... let's not split hairs, eh?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-59016445578348696642007-04-13T11:58:00.000-04:002007-04-13T11:58:00.000-04:00Joanne, Dion still has to engage in an English ele...<I>Joanne, Dion still has to engage in an English election debate eventually; he ain't getting off that easy!</I><BR/><BR/>lol! I know. Just being facetious.<BR/><BR/><BR/>BTW, sorry but I had enable comment moderation. I'll be away for a few days, so this is the only way to keep out the spam, etc.<BR/><BR/>Please continue to leave comments if you like though. I'll be checking in once in a while. Thanks.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-88864007485129749292007-04-13T11:53:00.000-04:002007-04-13T11:53:00.000-04:00Joanne, Dion still has to engage in an English ele...Joanne, Dion still has to engage in an English election debate eventually; he ain't getting off that easy!<BR/><BR/>He was nailed by the other candiates during the Liberal Leadership race and kindly gave Tories all kinds of material for ads. What do you think is going to happen when Dion has to get in there with Harper? And Duceppe is obviously no slouch in the French department and is a very savvy and experienced election debating opponent. So no respite there either. <BR/><BR/>Elizabeth May is going to be no help to Dion, and it is becoming increasingly apparent that she is no help to the Green Party either. Look for more than one Opposition Party leader to lose their jobs after the next election.......if they even last that long.Kai_Wolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10384866034946359834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-64479826060309630152007-04-13T11:44:00.000-04:002007-04-13T11:44:00.000-04:00Kai_wolf, I still think there must be some deal fo...Kai_wolf, I still think there must be some deal for May to field the English questions for Dion and vice versa.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-52407000697528224392007-04-13T11:37:00.000-04:002007-04-13T11:37:00.000-04:00Joanne, take a look at the vote count in Central N...Joanne, take a look at the vote count in Central Nova from the last election and the one in 2004 -<BR/><BR/>Tories - 2004: 16,376<BR/> - 2006: 17,134<BR/><BR/>Liberals - 2004: 10,470<BR/> - 2006: 10,349<BR/><BR/>NDP - 2004: 10,470 <BR/> - 2006: 13,861 <BR/><BR/>Green - 2004: 1,015 <BR/> - 2006: 671<BR/><BR/>With the local Liberals out of the picture, and splitting their vote between the Tories, the Greens and the Dippers, how can the Greens realistically expect to overcome any gains the other Parties will also make because of this and take the riding? <BR/><BR/>It is obvious which two Parties stand to gain from this latest Dion brainfart; its either a NDP win or McKay retains his seat. Is it REALLY that important for the Liberals to give up the chance at a seat for MAYBE getting rid of McKay? What is the supposed net gain here supposed to be? <BR/><BR/>How will loyal Liberal voters REALLY appreciate being forced to give up their choice for what will amount to nothing anyway? Do the Greens really want their LEADER to be a sacrificial pawn in some Liberal game; where pissed off and spurned local Liberal supporters will undoubtedly engage in an "Anybody But Elizabeth May" movement?<BR/><BR/>I can't believe Dion would be this stupid.Kai_Wolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10384866034946359834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-54100353593812173172007-04-13T11:35:00.000-04:002007-04-13T11:35:00.000-04:00John - That's it! You win the prize for figuring o...John - That's it! You win the prize for figuring out the strategy. Elizabeth will help Dion in the leadership debates all right.<BR/><BR/>She'll take the <I>English</I> questions!!!Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-16749331449146248782007-04-13T11:03:00.000-04:002007-04-13T11:03:00.000-04:00I guess all it takes to procure Elizabeth May's en...I guess all it takes to procure Elizabeth May's endorsement is to get a dog and name it Kyoto, because that's about all Dion did on the environmental file.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-50122084987650570122007-04-13T10:56:00.000-04:002007-04-13T10:56:00.000-04:00Maybe Stephanie and Elizabeth can share a podium i...Maybe Stephanie and Elizabeth can share a podium in the debate. she could field all the unfair comments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-26689905513315475932007-04-13T10:53:00.000-04:002007-04-13T10:53:00.000-04:00If the Reform/CCRAP and the PC parties had followe...<I>If the Reform/CCRAP and the PC parties had followed the same riding sharing strategy, Chretien would likely not have posted three consecutive majority victories.</I><BR/><BR/>And that is why the saying "principles befor politics" is so appropriate. <BR/><BR/>Not every Party (the Tories or the Dippers anyway)is going to completley sell out their local people that worked hard for their Party in the first place, all now in the name of ensuring that a competing Party gets a seat for its leader when its clear that the sacrifice that is being imposed on them is far, far from being a sure thing for any potential return.<BR/><BR/>And what possible return is that? A small chance to knock off McKay and implant a leading member of a competing Party. Is it really worth taking that kind of risk in a situation where a minority Government is a very distinct possibility? MP seats are more of a premium than ever. Dion is foolish for gambling with that and the potential harm far outweighs any potential gain he might make. And that is exactly why Dion is not a capable leader.<BR/><BR/>And what of the Green Party supporters? Do you think that they appreciate that the supposed LEADER of their own Party saying that the leader of another Party battling with them and the NDP for the environmental vote is going to make a great Prime Minister? May is selling out her Party as well.Kai_Wolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10384866034946359834noreply@blogger.com