tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post116853787941314563..comments2023-10-19T06:24:41.808-04:00Comments on Joanne's Journey: Hoping for AnswersJoanne (True Blue)http://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1169749777566823342007-01-25T13:29:00.000-05:002007-01-25T13:29:00.000-05:00Blame… it is understandable you would want to fin...Blame… it is understandable you would want to find someone to blame; other than yourself. I think the swearing, disrespect and belittling the First Nation’s leadership is also understandable, though regrettable. <BR/><BR/>As to the election, politics is always quite interesting. How that changes your situation, however, is not clear to me. Do you expect a new Chief to be elected on the platform, "Give away the cottages! Charge Low Rents!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1169440217594792502007-01-21T23:30:00.000-05:002007-01-21T23:30:00.000-05:00from anon #1i was the 1st anon poster (and cottage...from anon #1<BR/><BR/>i was the 1st anon poster (and cottage owner). for any of the non believers that think the cottagers sat on their duffs for 12 years with their thumb up their a$$ i got news for ya.... <BR/><BR/>the government has been promising us a lease for ALL of that time! as a matter of fact the lease is done, with at least one copy of it in the hands of a cottage owner (in draft format). as well the band voted IN FAVOUR of ratifying the new lease. it was COUNCIL that didn't send it through.<BR/><BR/>as you can see none of this is the cottagers fault, or the band's fault (as a whole) or really the governments fault either. the blame falls squarely on the band council. <BR/>if you think i am making any of it up i guess you'll have to wait until the chief opens his yapper and qualifies me. i wonder why he hasn't said anything yet? hmmm. (maybe it's because he knows he's wrong)<BR/><BR/>it will be interesting to see if the chief gets re-elected in july.. hmmm.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1169411288833796642007-01-21T15:28:00.000-05:002007-01-21T15:28:00.000-05:00It would be helpful if the various anonymous peopl...It would be helpful if the various anonymous people could identify themselves with a number or penname or something. The only number already taken is anonymous #83. Thanks.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1169149158619884272007-01-18T14:39:00.000-05:002007-01-18T14:39:00.000-05:00Also, here:http://www.therecord.com/home_page_fron...Also, here:<BR/><BR/>http://www.therecord.com/home_page_front_story/home_page_front_story_938807.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1169134359408401132007-01-18T10:32:00.000-05:002007-01-18T10:32:00.000-05:00Thanks anon at 10:16:11 AM EST.Very interesting in...Thanks anon at 10:16:11 AM EST.<BR/><BR/>Very interesting indeed. Good points in the Comments section as well (for both sides).Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1169133371273562112007-01-18T10:16:00.000-05:002007-01-18T10:16:00.000-05:00There are some interesting points in this topic at...There are some interesting points in this topic at the following cite:<BR/><BR/>http://sbp.teledyn.com/node/675Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1169080714542751112007-01-17T19:38:00.000-05:002007-01-17T19:38:00.000-05:00I have to wonder if the cottagers were allowed to ...I have to wonder if the cottagers were allowed to remove the buildings, would they?<BR/>First of all, it wouldn't be easy to remove the building, remember they would be able to destroy the lot/trees etc to get them out.<BR/>Secondly, it would expect it to be expensive, especially if it is to be moved any distance.<BR/>Finally, one would need to buy a lot, put in a foundation, etc to put the building on.<BR/><BR/>Also, there would be cleanup costs... Wells to cap, septic system that might need to also be removed, etcAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1169080394643515742007-01-17T19:33:00.000-05:002007-01-17T19:33:00.000-05:00I have to wonder if the cottagers were allowed to ...<I>I have to wonder if the cottagers were allowed to remove the buildings, would they?</I><BR/><BR/>I guess you would have to ask them.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1169079920147917022007-01-17T19:25:00.000-05:002007-01-17T19:25:00.000-05:00I have to wonder if the cottagers were allowed to ...I have to wonder if the cottagers were allowed to remove the buildings, would they?<BR/>First of all, it wouldn't be easy to remove the building, remember they would be able to destroy the lot/trees etc to get them out.<BR/>Secondly, it would expect it to be expensive, especially if it is to be moved any distance.<BR/>Finally, one would need to buy a lot, put in a foundation, etc to put the building on.<BR/><BR/>Also, there would be cleanup costs... Wells to cap, septic system that might need to also be removed, etcAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1169057026217093042007-01-17T13:03:00.000-05:002007-01-17T13:03:00.000-05:00So, as a show of good will, you would just give aw...<I>So, as a show of good will, you would just give away a car? I applaud the sentiment, but suspect most people aren’t that affluent.</I><BR/><BR/>Sorry, I think I got Colin & Bob mixed up in your example.<BR/><BR/>Well, this debate is now in the archives, so let me just say that I agree that native land resolutions move at an incredibly slow pace, which is frustrating for all concerned.<BR/><BR/>This case is not a land claim of course. It is more of a building claim. I'm guessing that the government will end up compensating the cottagers in some fashion for the lost structures.<BR/><BR/>When I said that natives are above the law, it was with reference to Caledonia, where the native protestors have come right out and said that. ie they have their own law and don't have to adhere to Canada's.<BR/><BR/>I think the natives in Hope Bay should do a bit better PR job with the media to try to get across their side.<BR/><BR/>Having said that, I have no financial interest in any of this. I hope that some kind of fair resolution comes about for all concerned. But thanks very much for your input. It's been quite interesting.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1169056050202903332007-01-17T12:47:00.000-05:002007-01-17T12:47:00.000-05:00So, as a show of good will, you would just give aw...So, as a show of good will, you would just give away a car? I applaud the sentiment, but suspect most people aren’t that affluent. <BR/><BR/>Also, if the issue is unclear enough that a court will be needed to decide the matter, then perhaps the Band is not “above the law.” <BR/><BR/>To me, I think there are other sides to many of these issues. For example, I re-read some of the above notes, and I wanted to add a ‘fun fact’ to the discussion. <BR/><BR/>You know, of course, that if a Band has a land claim they can submit it to Government for consideration and possible negotiation. A nice, civilized way to resolve a dispute.<BR/><BR/>Did you also know that it takes AT LEAST 5 years just to have a lawyer from Justice appointed to read your claim? And, that waiting 10 years to have a government lawyer appointed is not unheard of? Submit your claim, and wait 5 to 10 years for an initial response. <BR/><BR/>These cottagers have waited less than 2 months to hear from someone and they are telling stories of burning down buildings. Imaging if they had to wait 10 years!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1169050776058868862007-01-17T11:19:00.000-05:002007-01-17T11:19:00.000-05:00Anon, it would be a matter for the courts to resol...Anon, it would be a matter for the courts to resolve. However, I think it would have been a show of good will for Colin to give Bob a warning via registered letter before taking the vehicle.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, perhaps Bob was being somewhat naive to sign the agreement in the first place.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1169048226631851742007-01-17T10:37:00.000-05:002007-01-17T10:37:00.000-05:00During the term of the lease, perhaps that is true...During the term of the lease, perhaps that is true. But afterward, isn’t that just gambling?<BR/><BR/>You say the cottagers heard nothing from the Crown or the Band. Is it really realistic to expect someone to write them and say, “Hey! You know that term of the lease you signed? The one which gives you the option to move your cottage or lose it? Well, you really should exercise that clause, because if you don’t, the building will belong to the Indians.”<BR/><BR/>Imagine this was about parking a car. Bob signs a contract with Colin which allows Colin to park his car in Bob’s yard. But if Colin leaves it there for more than 30 days after the end of the contract, then the contract says Bob can keep the car. One day Bob writes Colin a letter saying the contract is over. Do you really expect Bob to write another letter in 29 days telling Colin to move the car? If more than 30 days had passed, would it be ‘unfair’ for Bob to keep the car? What if 12 years had passed? You mentioned public image, and I wonder, what would you tell Bob?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1168948367454515212007-01-16T06:52:00.000-05:002007-01-16T06:52:00.000-05:00if you knew you had 30 days from the and of your l...<I>if you knew you had 30 days from the and of your lease to take you building or lose it, and the Crown wrote you a letter saying the lease was over, what would you do?</I><BR/><BR/>I don't think I'd be dismantling my cottage right away. I think I would be trying to contact the Crown and the native band to get the facts. If there was no letter issued specifically saying to get the building off the land in 30 days, I think I'd be hoping that negotiations would produce a new lease agreement.<BR/><BR/>Where are the lawyers in all this? Does the native side have a lawyer showing that the cottagers were given due warning to remove the buildings?<BR/><BR/>I personally have no vested interest in this. I don't have a cottage and I don't know anyone who does.<BR/><BR/>But if the natives are concerned about image, it is important to be seen as playing fair.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1168915039123060092007-01-15T21:37:00.000-05:002007-01-15T21:37:00.000-05:00Well, if you knew you had 30 days from the and of ...Well, if you knew you had 30 days from the and of your lease to take you building or lose it, and the Crown wrote you a letter saying the lease was over, what would you do? Would you blame the Indians if you failed to act?<BR/><BR/>Whatever the case may be, perhaps some of the above commentators may find that they have prejudged the issue. Specifically, it seems many have cast judgements without knowing all of the facts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1168912283705454372007-01-15T20:51:00.000-05:002007-01-15T20:51:00.000-05:00Anon, I did see those articles. So are you saying ...Anon, I did see those articles. So are you saying that the cottagers should have known to take the buildings off the land in the spring? Were they specifically informed to do so?Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1168911328303884112007-01-15T20:35:00.000-05:002007-01-15T20:35:00.000-05:00Globe and Mail - "Hope runs out in cottage country...Globe and Mail - "Hope runs out in cottage country"<BR/>January 10, 2007<BR/><BR/>http://www.theglobeandmail.ca/servlet/story/LAC.20070110.COTTAGES10/TPStory/?query=hope+cottage<BR/><BR/>"Specifically, the leases always acknowledged cottagers' ownership of their buildings and the right to remove them within a month of termination. "<BR/><BR/><BR/>There was also a piece in the Owen Sound Suntime from last Wednesday, which stated the same.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1168907793387147202007-01-15T19:36:00.000-05:002007-01-15T19:36:00.000-05:00In other media reports, the cottagers say their le...<I>In other media reports, the cottagers say their leases gave them 30 days from the end of the lease to remove their buildings, otherwise, they lose the building. The leases ended 12 years ago and no one removed their buildings.</I><BR/><BR/>That's the first time I've heard of this. Do you have any references or links? Thanks.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1168898673676473502007-01-15T17:04:00.000-05:002007-01-15T17:04:00.000-05:00In other media reports, the cottagers say their le...In other media reports, the cottagers say their leases gave them 30 days from the end of the lease to remove their buildings, otherwise, they lose the building. The leases ended 12 years ago and no one removed their buildings. When the Crown sold the cottagers a permit last spring and told them their leases were over, still, no one removed their buildings. So, again, why is it unfair for the Band to keep the buildings? Are they not just following the agreement the cottagers themselves signed?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1168895604284923542007-01-15T16:13:00.000-05:002007-01-15T16:13:00.000-05:00How is it unfair for them to take possession of th...<I>How is it unfair for them to take possession of their land after the leases and permits expired?</I><BR/><BR/>I don't think anyone is questioning the natives' right to the land, Anon.<BR/><BR/>The issue is the buildings themselves.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1168895099447812142007-01-15T16:04:00.000-05:002007-01-15T16:04:00.000-05:00If the consensus here seems to be that the Indians...If the consensus here seems to be that the Indians live outside the law, I was just wondered what law it is that they are exempt from? I mean, I understand there were leases, but that they all ended in 1995! I also understand that the cottagers all bought permits last spring which all expressly ended in October of last year. So, where is the surprise? How is it unfair for them to take possession of their land after the leases and permits expired?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1168662440391381292007-01-12T23:27:00.000-05:002007-01-12T23:27:00.000-05:00Another aboriginal "negotiator" in action..."Call ...Another aboriginal "negotiator" in action...<BR/><BR/>"Call me wacky... but when your best alternative to a negotiated agreement is <B>shutting down legitimate businesses and threatening to kill people...</B> isn't it time to <A HREF="http://hallsofmacadamia.blogspot.com/2007/01/gimme-that-or-ill-kill-you.html" REL="nofollow">back up a little and punt?</A>"<BR/><BR/>*Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1168627352388491012007-01-12T13:42:00.000-05:002007-01-12T13:42:00.000-05:00There is absolutely no way in a court of law that ...<I>There is absolutely no way in a court of law that they could see it any other way. The government WILL BE picking up the tab on this I gaurantee! They have been the ones that have been handling all the leases and documentation for the last 40 years so it's an easy one for us on who we target will legal action. (even if it isn't the governments fault).</I><BR/><BR/>I think you'll have more luck taking the government to court than the natives. Nobody but nobody would dare cross the natives these days. I'm suprised the rest of us are still all allowed to stay in this country!Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1168605575773751722007-01-12T07:39:00.000-05:002007-01-12T07:39:00.000-05:00Anon Dickwad -- But not Red Tory....read the rest ...Anon Dickwad -- <I>But not Red Tory....read the rest of his rant. (chuckle)....he is so very very logical and enlightened. What would the world be without him to enlighten the rest of us???? tsk tsk...</I><BR/><BR/>My initial response was a simple remark that consisted of two words. How was the follow-up stating that all aborginals are not shiftless, lawless people a "rant" exactly?Red Toryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00422305796158017027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1168595750786865582007-01-12T04:55:00.000-05:002007-01-12T04:55:00.000-05:00Double posts, triple posts - no worries.It's all g...Double posts, triple posts - no worries.<BR/><BR/>It's all good.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.com