tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post114838073453000389..comments2023-10-19T06:24:41.808-04:00Comments on Joanne's Journey: The Politics of VettingJoanne (True Blue)http://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1148492626481325202006-05-24T13:43:00.000-04:002006-05-24T13:43:00.000-04:00Zac I read Steel City's post. Very good suggestion...Zac I read Steel City's post. Very good suggestions. Thanks for the tip.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1148440698811615262006-05-23T23:18:00.000-04:002006-05-23T23:18:00.000-04:00Hey Joanne, I thought this piece over at Steel Cit...Hey Joanne, I thought this piece over at Steel City Grit fits nicely into our brief discussion about the Caledonia stand off this morning. It's really well written. Thought you might find it interesting. <BR/><BR/>http://steelcitygrit.blogspot.com/2006/05/solution-for-caledonia.htmlZachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05312456253891615523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1148434292677982742006-05-23T21:31:00.000-04:002006-05-23T21:31:00.000-04:00Hey jdave34.Liberals do a good enough job of makin...Hey jdave34.<BR/><BR/>Liberals do a good enough job of making ourselves look like idiots. <BR/><BR/>How many people over here did you convince today, that maybe some liberals are not total cretins, and might have views worth at least listening to?<BR/><BR/>You're not helping.<BR/><BR/>Buzz off until you can change your attitude, or save it for the crackpot conservatives (I'm sure they exist someplace).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1148431390563995592006-05-23T20:43:00.000-04:002006-05-23T20:43:00.000-04:00Yawn, thanks for bringing us back to reality.Gabby...Yawn, thanks for bringing us back to reality.<BR/><BR/>Gabby - Too funny!! I wish I had seen that, but you described it very well! Thanks.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1148430910322241772006-05-23T20:35:00.000-04:002006-05-23T20:35:00.000-04:00I have to laugh at some of jDave34's comments, suc...I have to laugh at some of jDave34's comments, such as "spare me the righteous indignation!" <BR/><BR/>Here's an example of Liberal righteous indignation. CPAC was running the Judicial Committee hearings questioning Justice Minister Toews on his "get tough on crime" bill. <BR/><BR/>Derek Lee (LIB) disputed the Minister's contention that there's been an increase in crime by accusing the Minister of engaging in the "politics of fear," interrupting the Minister as he tried to answer. <BR/><BR/>Derek Lee then proceeded to deride the inclusion of stiffer penalties against the unlawful use of computers and (this really gave him a chuckle) cattle-rustling. It had to be explained to Mr. Lee that "unlawful use of computers" was meant to curtail the activities of pedophiles surfing the net to lure young people AND that farmers depend on their cattle for their livelihood, so they consider the "cattle-rustling" part of the bill important.<BR/><BR/>When MP Warawa (CPC) prefaced his question with the statement that the Liberals had supported "get tough on crime" legislation during the election, but were now backing away from it, Mr. Lee, on a point of order, in RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION, said he would not put up with such comments, despite the fact he was a very "gentle person." <BR/><BR/>Derek Lee, Liberal poster boy for RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1148426314491250642006-05-23T19:18:00.000-04:002006-05-23T19:18:00.000-04:00jDave34 said:«Why is everyone getting so angry? Wh...jDave34 said:<BR/>«Why is everyone getting so angry? What is it with conservatives?»<BR/><BR/>If I were you, people, I would ignore this provocateur. I guess s/he is bored and needs a little action in his/her life. Notice the attempts at victimization - «why is everyone so angry?» In other words, «I didn't do nuttin'.» I'm surprised s/he hasn't used «chill out!» yet.<BR/><BR/>And then of course, a feeble attempt at ridicule:<BR/>«Not your crosshairs!!!!!! My GOD!!!!»<BR/><BR/>Life's too short to squander it on meaningless trivia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1148419179703184532006-05-23T17:19:00.000-04:002006-05-23T17:19:00.000-04:00Now if only Morgan had been caught on a Security t...Now if only Morgan had been caught on a Security tape stealing a $60'000.00 piece of jewellery and claimed he left his wife to become a Homosexual .<BR/><BR/> THEN Peggy Nash and the NDP would even left this convicted fellon run for them in a B.C. seat during a Federal Election.<BR/><BR/> Poor Jack Layton , sold his soul for SSM and a lie by the Liberals to spend 4.2 Billion on the NDP-Budget plans.<BR/><BR/> Jack and Gilles<BR/> went up Parliament Hill<BR/> to fetch a pail of Money,<BR/> <BR/> I don't know what they did up there <BR/> but Gilles fell down<BR/> and Jack's now a clown<BR/> and Svend cab be their Honey.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1148418197626375932006-05-23T17:03:00.000-04:002006-05-23T17:03:00.000-04:00Thank you, Joe E., for some clear-headed comments....Thank you, Joe E., for some clear-headed comments.<BR/><BR/>"What is it with conservatives?" Gee, I don't know what you're talking about, jd34. Half the people that have an issue with you here are not Conservatives.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1148415241389243082006-05-23T16:14:00.000-04:002006-05-23T16:14:00.000-04:00Me again. I would also like to point out another o...Me again. I would also like to point out another omission (or misunderstanding) on jdave's part.<BR/><BR/>"So why were they voting? And if the vote was indeed above board, then Harper should have known that there was a chance his nominee wouldn't make it through.<BR/><BR/>Why has he given up on the process he fought so hard for?"<BR/><BR/>Let's make another clarification here: Why was Gwyn Morgan torpedoed by the opposition here?<BR/><BR/>Was it because of his (lack of?) qualifications?<BR/><BR/>40 years of community leadership and serice, the creation of the single largest independant gas company in the globe, years or philanthropy and volunteer work with youth and at risk kids, dedication to his community and his country, and a desire to do this job because of that dedication (a $1 a year salary shows he's not in it for the perks)?<BR/><BR/>Obvoiously not. The man was over-qualified, if anything.<BR/><BR/>The <I>reason</I> was pure partisanship by the opposition. <BR/><BR/>Mr. Morgan made a (true) statement about gang violence in toronto that the opposition centred on because it wasn't 'politically correct'. The opposition used this statement to imply that he wasn't fit for the job: <I>despite</I>:<BR/><BR/>40 years of community leadership and serice, the creation of the single largest independant gas company in the globe, years or philanthropy and volunteer work with youth and at risk kids, dedication to his community and his country, and a desire to do this job because of that dedication (a $1 a year salary shows he's not in it for the perks).<BR/><BR/>So, morgan wasn't torpedoed based upon his qualifications, which is what the board was SUPPOSED to be voting on. Instead, the board voted based on a 'let's-stop-harper' mentality. <BR/><BR/>With that in mind, would <I>you</I> say the process worked? Would you indeed call it <I>'above board'</I>?<BR/><BR/>If the opposition more willing to judge Mr. Morgan based upon what was politically good for them instead of what was best for canadians, can you blame Mr. Harper for being fed up with 'the process he fought so hard for' being made a mockery of by the opposition?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1148414564405028952006-05-23T16:02:00.000-04:002006-05-23T16:02:00.000-04:00O.K. Now I'm blushing. {>)O.K. Now I'm blushing. {>)Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1148414299306594822006-05-23T15:58:00.001-04:002006-05-23T15:58:00.001-04:00Frankly JDave, while I usually don't agree with th...Frankly JDave, while I usually don't agree with these folks they are all genuinly nice people. <BR/><BR/>While I've had many, many debates (possibly a few too many) with the tories over here, it always ends up being enlightening. The key is to present your side then listening to opposing view points and refuting them if you wish. <BR/><BR/>Sometimes its hard to do it in a constructive way, as we all seem to be passionate about the issues, but it helps to be civil. <BR/><BR/>Joanne is a very nice lady and doesn't deserve being called stupid. In fact through our many coversations I've found her to be very intelligent.Zachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05312456253891615523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1148414293842998182006-05-23T15:58:00.000-04:002006-05-23T15:58:00.000-04:00Anonymous, I wish I knew who you were. You just sa...Anonymous, I wish I knew who you were. You just said everything I was thinking, and much more eloquently.<BR/><BR/>Zac - Exactly. Riley and I often disagree, and you and I even more so. However, we respect each other's opinions, and never resort to personal attacks (at least I hope not). I have learned a few things from you guys and I appreciate your input.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1148413978519892802006-05-23T15:52:00.000-04:002006-05-23T15:52:00.000-04:00Jdave: You are ignoring two important points.1. Th...Jdave: You are ignoring two important points.<BR/><BR/>1. The opposition was so petty and partisan that they torpedoed an extremely qualified individual who was willing to do the job for(essentially) free. He has dedicated his life to leading both in business and in the community at large. But, despite 40 years of service to his country and fellow man, the opposition decided to essentially call Mr. Morgan a racist and besmirch his good name simply out of partisan motivation.<BR/><BR/>2. Why, therefore, would Stephen Harper put <I><B>another</I></B> candidate through this circus of harassment? It is obvious that the opposition is neither mature enough or serious enough about the process of bringing accountability to the canadian people when it comes to eliminating patronage in government appointments.<BR/><BR/>If every Candidate Stephen Harper puts forth is going to be summarily accused of racism and torpedoed simply out of partisanship on the opposition's part, why should harper even try?<BR/><BR/>Perhaps it is time the opposition grows up and works <B>FOR</B> canadians instead of for themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1148413721005951292006-05-23T15:48:00.000-04:002006-05-23T15:48:00.000-04:00Yeah, I've probably stirred the pot a bit too much...Yeah, I've probably stirred the pot a bit too much around here myself but at least I never insulted your intelligence.Zachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05312456253891615523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1148413548492098972006-05-23T15:45:00.000-04:002006-05-23T15:45:00.000-04:00Ah there's Zac, my other Gritty White Knight.Ah there's Zac, my other Gritty White Knight.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1148413377347758042006-05-23T15:42:00.000-04:002006-05-23T15:42:00.000-04:00Riley, excellent point. JD34 sounds like he's stir...Riley, excellent point. JD34 sounds like he's stirring the pot a bit too much.Zachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05312456253891615523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1148413285862340772006-05-23T15:41:00.000-04:002006-05-23T15:41:00.000-04:00Q: Why hold an election if you have no intention ...Q: Why hold an election if you have no intention of respecting the results unless your candidate wins? ~ jdave34 Tue May 23, 06:37:45 AM CST <BR/><BR/>A: Because sometimes the PRIME MINISTER chooses to exercise the powers given him by the electorate. "Heavy lies the head that wears the crown" Dave. Martin did it, now Harper does it. Get accustomed to the phrase: The Right Honourable Stephen Harper, Prime Minister of Canada.<BR/><BR/>The people voted. The people have spoken. Their Choice is Harper Conservatives (Minority). NOT Liberals, (Opposition) The time will soon come to vote again.<BR/><BR/>Yes, yes. What's that you say? The Conservatives only ended up with about 36% of the overall votes? Tht's the knuckle ball of the deal, isn't it? The next largest number of votes went to the Libs, who garnered even far less, way less than Harpers votes. <BR/><BR/>So if 64% voted AGAINST Harper, and, while most opponents of Harper and the Conservatives may not like to examine BOTH sides of the results, the tragically unsavoury reality of the math is that an even larger, 70% + VOTED AGAINST MARTIN AND THE LIBERALS. <BR/><BR/>If your opinion has validity, why do you feel it necessary to resort to pejorative labelling of those whose opinions disagree with yours. <BR/> <BR/>I, for one, have never worn a cheerleaders outfit. <BR/><BR/>Simple democrtatic reality is that your nag lost this derby. Expect more of the same, I would guess. <BR/><BR/>I think that I am fairly representative of Canadians who have paid taxes for the past fifty years, and I sure as hell hate seeing my hard earned cash getting blown on some dolt like Dingwell, the Gun Registry, half a billion dollars in penalties for cancelled military helicopters that actually stayed airborne. The list could go on. <BR/><BR/>$1 / year, for someone like Morgan, reputed Conservative bagman? Now THAT was a bargain. As for the Bagman label? $25,000 of his own money, to bankroll Paul Martin. Another large wad of coin of the realm for the National LPC.<BR/><BR/>As for the vetting thing being put to a "vote" as you so euphemistically phrase it? Thursday or Friday BEFORE the Committee hearing, NDP'er, Peggy Nash, had already filed notice that she was going to be turfing Morgan. based on the pretext of text out of context.<BR/><BR/>And yes. Bullshit is bullshit, regardless of which silver-tongued devils spout it. <BR/><BR/>But remeber this. Theft and embezzlement are also equally theft and embezzlement regardless of who commits the crime, be it the natural governing party, or the national burgling party. Wouldn't you agree?<BR/><BR/><BR/>L.H. & K.<BR/><BR/>Loving it more and MOREAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1148412720546742962006-05-23T15:32:00.000-04:002006-05-23T15:32:00.000-04:00Debi - Good point.Riley, again you remind me why y...Debi - Good point.<BR/><BR/>Riley, again you remind me why you are one of my two favourite Liberals! Riley to the rescue on his shining steed! Sticking it to the trolls.<BR/><BR/>And I didn't even have to call out my Tory reserves.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1148411369907320212006-05-23T15:09:00.001-04:002006-05-23T15:09:00.001-04:00jdave34 Plain and simple, you're agrivating. You...jdave34<BR/><BR/> Plain and simple, you're agrivating. Your second post read "wow. Seriously, wow. Do you actually read about the subjects you write about???" then went on a tirade of condescending jargon.<BR/><BR/> That puts you square in the crosshairs of my ire. Comments on this site are more than welcome but you just don't go on here and act like an all-knowing genius. "Keeping up so far? Good". Thats the insult bub... plain and simple. <BR/><BR/> Harper didn't introduce another candidate because the result would have been the same. Every editorialist in the country pretty much agrees the guy was grilled vociferously for no reason. Do I think Harper shouldn't have scrapped the committee? Yes. But I'm not going to get in a knat about it and go off on someone's blog about why would Harper have an election?? <BR/><BR/>I disagree with Joanne on a lot of issues but never do I insult her intelligence. I merely state my side of the story and discuss it with her.<BR/><BR/>You on the other hand begin with an attack. How do you correlate ONE committee, with an entire election? You came on here to agrivate, not communicate or contribute to the discussion. It is for those reasons you are nothing more than a troll.Forward Looking Canadianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17437781441720629796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1148411354693696472006-05-23T15:09:00.000-04:002006-05-23T15:09:00.000-04:00Well, jd34, you do have a great imagination, I'll ...Well, jd34, you do have a great imagination, I'll give you that! lol!<BR/><BR/>My take on this would be that Harper realized that the committee was set on destroying the credibility of any nominee, rather than putting partisanship aside and considering the actual integrity of the candidate.<BR/><BR/>However, this process does remind me a bit of the Supreme Court nomination process. Everyone gets some input, but ultimately it is up to the P.M. to make the decision. As it was for the Afghanistan extension.<BR/><BR/>If we want to create a Canada ruled by committees, then perhaps we should look at rewriting the Constitution. Last time I checked, we had a parliamentary system where the party with the most votes ran things. The Liberals were doing that for the past decade or so.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1148410044963349482006-05-23T14:47:00.000-04:002006-05-23T14:47:00.000-04:00jd34, I thought I answered that. IMO that wasn't a...jd34, I thought I answered that. IMO that wasn't an "election". It was a vetting committee. But of course you are the more intelligent of the two of us, so I'm sure you will explain how my perception is flawed.<BR/><BR/>Waiting to be enlightened.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1148408911031748742006-05-23T14:28:00.000-04:002006-05-23T14:28:00.000-04:00As one of my "cheerleaders" Vicki, I thank you for...As one of my "cheerleaders" Vicki, I thank you for jumping in here.<BR/><BR/>Actually I find the whole thing amusing. You know you're doing something right when you draw out the opposing viewpoints with such emotion. Otherwise it would be a very dull blog indeed.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1148408102757881642006-05-23T14:15:00.000-04:002006-05-23T14:15:00.000-04:00Let's see here.. Going over my comments.. Looking ...Let's see here.. Going over my comments.. Looking for where I specifically centered out the Liberals...Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1148406908649855312006-05-23T13:55:00.000-04:002006-05-23T13:55:00.000-04:00I'm sure Omar would welcome you with open arms. Jo...<EM>I'm sure Omar would welcome you with open arms.</EM> <BR/><BR/><EM>Jo <BR/>Iloved your comment " I'm sure Omar would welcome you with open arms"<BR/>Well said!</EM><BR/><BR/>These comments are rather quite rich and certainly insulting. It was rather awhile ago I was banned[sic] from this blog and have since been back with the odd comment or two. I read this blog from time to time, but don't usually bother to comment as, like jdave, you end up being targeted, called angry and eventually a troll. I guess if blind partisan opinion is all that is desired then the tactic of fear then smear is the one the blue blogger employs.Omarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12058734544373976550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20283843.post-1148405079544555142006-05-23T13:24:00.000-04:002006-05-23T13:24:00.000-04:00BTW: Should there be further debate on this threa...BTW: Should there be further debate on this thread, please note that, more than likely, for much of the next 48 hours, I shall not be able to participate, contribute, defend, attack nor parry and thrust in this arena, nor in any other, I regret. <BR/><BR/>Silence from this site, however, should not erroneously be misinterpreted as the silence of the vanquished lambs. That kind of exacerbation of bad judgement has, in the past, proven to be embarrasingly fatal for many yahoo dim-bulbs, astride what they think is their ' morally and intellectually superior high-horse.' Another judgemental error, that horsey thing, that is.<BR/><BR/>yuk yuk.<BR/><BR/><BR/>I AM luh-ving it. <BR/><BR/>p.s. RonMAC? I'm talking about the brain-dead carrion, not your tasty treats.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com